Frodo v's Elijah

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Essex

AlatarFrodo didn't hand the Ring to the Nazgul. He was being coerced to put it on. As Jackson said in the commentary, this scene was transposed form Minas Morgul where the Witch King comes out on his horse and Frodo struggles with the Ring.

Thanks. I'll have to rewatch the scene as I thought that Frodo was trying to hand the Ring to the Nazgul.

Note that the Nazgul want Frodo to put on the Ring so that they can 'see' him. In the movie scene that we are discussing, (from my memory) Frodo is standing in front of the Fell Beast, which is not blind, upon which sits a Nazgul which could 'smell' him. The Nazgul obviously knows that Frodo is there - why else hover?

And in regards to PJ comment about this being a nod to the Witch King leaving Minas Morgul as you quoted from the book, wasn't that scene (PJ-ified) filmed also? I can't remember, but thought that something like it was in there.

[Lathriel]

Just to let you guys know. Elijah turned 24 yesterday (I believe, or it culd have been today)

Happy Birthday Elijah

Also I think it could have been worse if some other actor had been Frodo. I can't imagine who would be better.

[Essex]

Alatar, re

Note that the Nazgul want Frodo to put on the Ring so that they can 'see' him

Yes, this was my "excuse" when I first saw the osgiliath scene, and I thought the same until I re watched the weathertop scene. one of the nazgul quickly turns round and 'sees ' / is aware of Frodo before he puts the Ring on.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Essex

Yes, this was my "excuse" when I first saw the osgiliath scene, and I thought the same until I re watched the weathertop scene. one of the nazgul quickly turns round and 'sees ' / is aware of Frodo before he puts the Ring on.

Still haven't rewatched the scene. Does Frodo show the ring to the Nazgul, or does he try to put it on? Putting on the Ring, in light of what Essex pointed out, wouldn't really make much sense then.

And maybe this could be another thread, but the Nazgul weren't exactly like the book either, and so it's hard to know what PJ intended regarding the scene as I have all of this backstory in my head (from the books) that may have created false assumptions.

[Essex]

Alatar, have a listen to the directors' commentary on the TT EE DVD. He explains his reasoning re transposing the witch king scene at minas morgul to Osgiliath.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Essex

Alatar, have a listen to the directors' commentary on the TT EE DVD. He explains his reasoning re transposing the witch king scene at minas morgul to Osgiliath.

Thanks for the head's up. I'll comment after I rewatch the scene with comments on.

[Lathriel]

I have noticed that a lot of discussions that are brought up in the movie forum could be answered or aided by watching the actors commentary of all the EEs. Maybe the commentary by PJ, Fran and Philippa will also help. So if you want clarification I highly recommend that you watch the commentary.
And they aren't boring, well... that's what I think anyway.