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Celebuial · 03-09-2005, 05:34 AM

Ok. You've got me persuaded!!!! I shall rush home and start reading! Someone (sorry can't remeber who) made an interseting pont about post-it notes. My copy of The Sil is full of them! I never thoght to do it with LoTR though. I think I'll try mark12_30's approach and not read everyone else's posts before. I apologise now for anything that I will post in the future!

Anyway, I will try my hardest to keep up, but I am currently studying for my A-levels so it might be a bit tricky! I'll try not to post stupid stuff and hopefully it wont be too painful, you can't think I'm anymore of an idiot than you all ready do surely? LOL!

Lalwendë · 03-09-2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Celebuial

Someone (sorry can't remeber who) made an interseting pont about post-it notes. My copy of The Sil is full of them!

That would have been me!

My copy of Morgoth's Ring is full of them because that was the last volume of HoME I looked at. I left the post-its in there, I found so many interesting points that I had to remember.

I actually like Mark 12_30's idea of physically annotating a text, which ought to a shocking idea to me - damaging books! No!

But, if I could get a new copy which was cheap and a duplicate of another copy, then I might consider it.

It might actually be nice to look back on those notes. I still have texts I used at university and these obviously had to be annotated, and I quite enjoy looking back at those, to see what interested me at the time.

mark12_30 · 03-09-2005, 09:17 AM

Lalwendë, thanks for the post-it idea-- that will work well for such treasured copies as the Red Book, the Green Book, Sil, histories, etc... and for either version of the Annotated Hobbit-- which I have no intent of annotating myself!

Lathriel · 03-09-2005, 05:51 PM

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damaging books! No! But, if I could get a new copy which was cheap

A great place to find cheap LOTR books is a seconhand bookstore. I got a copy of ROTK for One Canadian dollar!

I should probably go back and see if they have a cheap version of TTT.

Lyta_Underhill · 03-10-2005, 06:47 PM

For those of you who live out of boxes like me and can't find anything, even the Tolkien books that used to be right by the bed, here's a helpful link! I found online the text to "The Palantir" and "Taming of Smeagol" last night and did a little quick catchup from this site: http://www.networksam.com/lord_of_the_rings.htm in the moments I wasn't doing online work (bleah!). It looks like the entire text of LOTR is on the site, although it cannot be copied, thus quoted sections would have to be long-handed. It was a big help to me, though!

Cheers!
Lyta

Celebuial · 03-11-2005, 03:12 AM

Wow that site is great!!!!!! Thanks Lyta!!!!

I promise I will join you in discussion soon. I would've been doing it now but I got home, picked up my copy of LotR..... and promptly forgot where you guys are!!!!!!! Never mind..... I'l start tonight!!!

davem · 04-22-2005, 03:45 PM

So what's happening?

Has everyone given up on this? Three posts on the current chapter so far is a bit sad!

Do people find book four itself boring, or have people just given up on the project? I remember when this project began our esteemed Esty also started a HoME read along thread which managed to run for about half a dozen chapters before fizzling out. Will the main project go the same way, or are people just waiting for book five, when things get 'interesting' again, with the big battles & high adventure?

I wonder if the movies haven't played some part in shaping people's view of the story by emphasising the Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli storyline & making it seem more interesting.

On the other hand maybe Sam got it right when he said to Frodo that at this point some readers/hearers of the story would say 'Shut the book now Dad, we don't want to read anymore.'

Is it that people find the Frodo/Sam/Gollum storyline too 'dark' & oppressive, or is it that they simply find it too boring? If its the latter, what does that say about us as readers & as Tolkien fans? I have to say that this part of the story has become increasingly meaningful & significant to me as I've grown older, so I've actually been looking forward to this part of the story. How about others? Maybe a more significant question would be, who do readers consider the 'real' hero & central character of LotR to be - Frodo or Aragorn - & how much of a part has PJ played in shaping that opinion?

Whatever, we still have about six months worth of discussion to go - & that's if we limit ourselves only to the main chapters & Aragorn & Arwen, & don't stray into the rest of the Appendices.

Is there enough interest in the project to sustain us to the end of the Road? Or will we fall before the end. Speaking personally I'm going to carry on with it, even if I'm the only one posting & nobody reads what I post! I've learned a great deal over the months - from other posters &, if it doesn't sound too smug, from my own personal discoveries & the connections I've made. I've probably paid more attention to the text in this reading than in any of my previous readings & my appreciation of Tolkien & his work has increased immensely as a result.

Well?

03-09-2005, 05:34 AM	#1
Celebuial Wight Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's Posts: 129	Ok. You've got me persuaded!!!! I shall rush home and start reading! Someone (sorry can't remeber who) made an interseting pont about post-it notes. My copy of The Sil is full of them! I never thoght to do it with LoTR though. I think I'll try mark12_30's approach and not read everyone else's posts before. I apologise now for anything that I will post in the future! Anyway, I will try my hardest to keep up, but I am currently studying for my A-levels so it might be a bit tricky! I'll try not to post stupid stuff and hopefully it wont be too painful, you can't think I'm anymore of an idiot than you all ready do surely? LOL! __________________ Ú cilith ‘war. Ú men ‘war. Boe min mebi. Boe min bango.

03-09-2005, 09:17 AM	#3
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Lalwendë, thanks for the post-it idea-- that will work well for such treasured copies as the Red Book, the Green Book, Sil, histories, etc... and for either version of the Annotated Hobbit-- which I have no intent of annotating myself! __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-10-2005, 06:47 PM	#5
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Online Text Reference For those of you who live out of boxes like me and can't find anything, even the Tolkien books that used to be right by the bed, here's a helpful link! I found online the text to "The Palantir" and "Taming of Smeagol" last night and did a little quick catchup from this site: http://www.networksam.com/lord_of_the_rings.htm in the moments I wasn't doing online work (bleah!). It looks like the entire text of LOTR is on the site, although it cannot be copied, thus quoted sections would have to be long-handed. It was a big help to me, though! Cheers! Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

03-11-2005, 03:12 AM	#6
Celebuial Wight Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's Posts: 129	Wow that site is great!!!!!! Thanks Lyta!!!! I promise I will join you in discussion soon. I would've been doing it now but I got home, picked up my copy of LotR..... and promptly forgot where you guys are!!!!!!! Never mind..... I'l start tonight!!! __________________ Ú cilith ‘war. Ú men ‘war. Boe min mebi. Boe min bango.

04-22-2005, 03:45 PM	#7
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	So what's happening? Has everyone given up on this? Three posts on the current chapter so far is a bit sad! Do people find book four itself boring, or have people just given up on the project? I remember when this project began our esteemed Esty also started a HoME read along thread which managed to run for about half a dozen chapters before fizzling out. Will the main project go the same way, or are people just waiting for book five, when things get 'interesting' again, with the big battles & high adventure? I wonder if the movies haven't played some part in shaping people's view of the story by emphasising the Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli storyline & making it seem more interesting. On the other hand maybe Sam got it right when he said to Frodo that at this point some readers/hearers of the story would say 'Shut the book now Dad, we don't want to read anymore.' Is it that people find the Frodo/Sam/Gollum storyline too 'dark' & oppressive, or is it that they simply find it too boring? If its the latter, what does that say about us as readers & as Tolkien fans? I have to say that this part of the story has become increasingly meaningful & significant to me as I've grown older, so I've actually been looking forward to this part of the story. How about others? Maybe a more significant question would be, who do readers consider the 'real' hero & central character of LotR to be - Frodo or Aragorn - & how much of a part has PJ played in shaping that opinion? Whatever, we still have about six months worth of discussion to go - & that's if we limit ourselves only to the main chapters & Aragorn & Arwen, & don't stray into the rest of the Appendices. Is there enough interest in the project to sustain us to the end of the Road? Or will we fall before the end. Speaking personally I'm going to carry on with it, even if I'm the only one posting & nobody reads what I post! I've learned a great deal over the months - from other posters &, if it doesn't sound too smug, from my own personal discoveries & the connections I've made. I've probably paid more attention to the text in this reading than in any of my previous readings & my appreciation of Tolkien & his work has increased immensely as a result. Well? __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

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