Character(s) that you dont like...

[Thinlómien]

I think Tolkien has made nearly all his not-so-nice major characters and the reasons why they are like they are quite understandable. I really can't say I don't like some characters - maybe except Ted Sandyman. Those who are evil are a different chapter.

[Elonve]

I really dislike Wormtounge! He was a slimy dispicabel character.
I really started to hate Denethor. I hate that he said stuff like "I wish you were dead instead of Boromir" What kind of Father says that to his son??

Anywhooooooo!

Cheers

Elly
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[Elianna]

I second Lindir and Ted Sandyman wholeheartedly.

I can't see why you people dislike my Wormie...*dodges tomato*

I also can't see why Feanor hasn't cropped up on this thread yet. Single-handedly (wait, that's more like Maedhros or Beren isn't it? sorry...), leads most of his people in rebelion against the Valar, starts a war consisting of five blood-soaked battles, ruins the lives of his sons and countless others...

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Elianna

I also can't see why Feanor hasn't cropped up on this thread yet. Single-handedly (wait, that's more like Maedhros or Beren isn't it? sorry...), leads most of his people in rebelion against the Valar, starts a war consisting of five blood-soaked battles, ruins the lives of his sons and countless others...

Did he lead them astray, or did they follow him freely? Except for his children, the others could have said "nay." Reading about the elves in the Sil, you see that they aren't as high and pure as they tend to appear in the Third Age anyway. And was Feanor not doing Iluvatar's bidding?

The reason I didn't add Feanor to my list was that (1) he was in Silmarillion country, (2) ya gotta respect someone who contests the Valar, (3) he also was a lot wiser than Manwe et al - including other Eldar - in regards to Melkor, (4) he did made some cool stuff, (5) he was neglected as a child.

In the same vein I can't stand those elven princes who gave Luthien a hard time (Celegorm and Curufin?). Put your slippers on and take a hike!

[Elianna]

Originally Posted by alatar

Did he lead them astray, or did they follow him freely?

Obi-wan Kenobi: "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?" I think it's the first fool, because he makes up the crazy idea, believes it, and then looks for followers, whereas the other fool only believes the idea.

Originally Posted by alatar

The reason I didn't add Feanor to my list was that (1) he was in Silmarillion country,

Yeah, Faramir did just say LotR, sorry.

(2) ya gotta respect someone who contests the Valar,

uhhhh....no? Why would I do that when they're doing the best they can?

(3) he also was a lot wiser than Manwe et al - including other Eldar - in regards to Melkor,

I'll give you that one.

(4) he did made some cool stuff,

Like the Silmarils with that huge war fought over them? Like the palantiri, which were a leading cause for the brekaing up of Arnor, and Saruman's and Denethor's falls?

(5) he was neglected as a child.

To my recollection, his father thought he hung the Moon, and his mom only left after he was grown.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Elianna

Obi-wan Kenobi: "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?" I think it's the first fool, because he makes up the crazy idea, believes it, and then looks for followers, whereas the other fool only believes the idea.

Obi who? And I assume that the other elves were 'just following orders...' It must be that I'm a big believer in personal responsibility.

Yeah, Faramir did just say LotR, sorry.

Actually, I didn't see that either, so that one's a tie.

uhhhh....no? Why would I do that when they're doing the best they can?

I just have a thing for the underdog. Like when Fingolfin went after Morgoth...that was surely something. And I don't have a thing for 'best that they can.' Sounds like bureaucracy/mediocrity to me.

Like the Silmarils with that huge war fought over them? Like the palantiri, which were a leading cause for the brekaing up of Arnor, and Saruman's and Denethor's falls?

I assume then that we need to fault Iluvatar as he created Melkor? He also created Arda, so if I were Denethor I know who I'd have my lawyers chasing. Think what havoc was caused by Melian's child and subsequent descendents.

To my recollection, his father thought he hung the Moon, and his mom only left after he was grown.

Sorry, but that was meant jokingly. On the other hand, as you stated regarding his parents, Feanor got too much attention, and that (1) adversely affects children (various pampered celebrities come to mind), (2) obviously made Feanor go out and create all of that evil stuff to compensate for too much attention, (3) also made him lead all of those elves into genocide/kinslaying as I assume the other elves had bad parents and (4) eventually caused the immolation of Denethor. Bad parents, bad parents!

All tongue in cheek, of course. Cheers.