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dwarfguard · 03-15-2005, 01:11 PM

i think he also wanted to wash away memory of the foul things that happened there and start off fresh

Celebaglar · 03-15-2005, 07:11 PM

Still, it seems like a rather noble idea to reclaim minas ithil in the name of godor, also, i do not know of what the kinstrife is, i did not read the unfinished tales, i only have an encyclopedia of middle earth, the silmarillion, and the three lotr books as well as the hobbit to draw information from.

Elianna · 03-15-2005, 07:28 PM

The Kin-strife was a civil war in Gondor, between the rightful son of the king and some decendents of an earlier king, who didn't like the rightful king because his mom wasn't of Númenorean descent. The son of the king eventually won and the losers went off to Umbar, which explains why the Corsairs of Umbar don't like Gondor in the LotR. The Kin-strife is told of in Appen. A of LotR, under part (iv) "Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion."

Celebaglar · 03-15-2005, 07:32 PM

ahhh yes, now i remember, the umbar are the black numenoreans correct? that is an oxymoron in itself, the black numenoreans don't have a society as organized as numenor or gondor. In any event, if i were aragorn, i would offer the balck numenoreans control of the morgul vale in exchange for an alliance.

03-15-2005, 07:28 PM	#3
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	The Kin-strife was a civil war in Gondor, between the rightful son of the king and some decendents of an earlier king, who didn't like the rightful king because his mom wasn't of Númenorean descent. The son of the king eventually won and the losers went off to Umbar, which explains why the Corsairs of Umbar don't like Gondor in the LotR. The Kin-strife is told of in Appen. A of LotR, under part (iv) "Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion." __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

03-15-2005, 07:32 PM	#4
Celebaglar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Among the host of the noldor, and the last high elves that dwell in middle eath Posts: 31	ahhh yes, now i remember, the umbar are the black numenoreans correct? that is an oxymoron in itself, the black numenoreans don't have a society as organized as numenor or gondor. In any event, if i were aragorn, i would offer the balck numenoreans control of the morgul vale in exchange for an alliance. Last edited by Celebaglar; 03-17-2005 at 02:57 PM.

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03-15-2005, 01:11 PM	#1
dwarfguard Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	i think he also wanted to wash away memory of the foul things that happened there and start off fresh

03-15-2005, 07:11 PM	#2
Celebaglar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Among the host of the noldor, and the last high elves that dwell in middle eath Posts: 31	Still, it seems like a rather noble idea to reclaim minas ithil in the name of godor, also, i do not know of what the kinstrife is, i did not read the unfinished tales, i only have an encyclopedia of middle earth, the silmarillion, and the three lotr books as well as the hobbit to draw information from.