gandalf as a maia - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Neithan · 03-22-2005, 10:24 AM

And yet he basically told Faramir, "Olorin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten". Of course Faramir probably wouldn't know the significance of that but it was quite a gamble that someone who did wouldn't hear of it.

burrahobbit · 03-22-2005, 10:52 AM

So now you are trying to tell me that Faramir is stupid? Because that's what it is looking like you are saying. Did you forget where he grew up?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-22-2005, 11:06 AM

No-one in the fellowship knew. There were others in Middle-earth who might have had an inkling.

dwarfguard · 03-22-2005, 11:11 AM

i remember reading somewhere that someone suspected that he came from the west,thats why cirdan gave him his ring and said something like by these grey shores shall i await you and your labors will be hard.So he must of known.Right?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-22-2005, 11:36 AM

Cirdan had the distinct empirical advantage of witnessing Gandalf arrive from the West. So his suspicions were aroused somewhat.

burrahobbit · 03-22-2005, 11:38 AM

He had the empirical advantage of seeing him get off of a boat on the west coast.

Maerbenn · 03-22-2005, 11:42 AM

It is said in the first paragraph of the essay on the Istari published in Unfinished Tales that “none save maybe Elrond, Círdan and Galadriel discovered of what kind they were or whence they came.”

According to the third paragraph, it was “for long known only to Círdan” that the Ithron “came from over the Sea out of the Uttermost West.”

lord of dor-lomin · 03-22-2005, 11:53 AM

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who of the fellowship (if any)knew that gandalf was a maia and not just a "wizard".I think that elrond knew and probably cirdan knew.

Elrond and Cirdan were in the Fellowship?

But I'm sure anyone who knew anything could figure it out that he was an Ainu, even if they couldn't figure out he was a Maia. He looks like a man but he can't be one since he just keeps living and living and doesn't turn wraith-like, he's too tall to be a dwarf or a hobbit, and he looks too old to be an elf- plus he doesn't have pointy ears, and everyone knows that elves have pointy ears.

What else can he be?

Another Bombadilish enigma? An ent that has grown mannish and shrunk?

He doesn't fit snugly into any category, so what's left? An Ainu!

03-22-2005, 10:24 AM	#1
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	And yet he basically told Faramir, "Olorin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten". Of course Faramir probably wouldn't know the significance of that but it was quite a gamble that someone who did wouldn't hear of it. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

03-22-2005, 10:52 AM	#2
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	So now you are trying to tell me that Faramir is stupid? Because that's what it is looking like you are saying. Did you forget where he grew up? __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

03-22-2005, 11:06 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	No-one in the fellowship knew. There were others in Middle-earth who might have had an inkling. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-22-2005, 11:36 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Cirdan had the distinct empirical advantage of witnessing Gandalf arrive from the West. So his suspicions were aroused somewhat. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-22-2005, 11:38 AM	#6
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	He had the empirical advantage of seeing him get off of a boat on the west coast. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

03-22-2005, 11:11 AM	#4
dwarfguard Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	i remember reading somewhere that someone suspected that he came from the west,thats why cirdan gave him his ring and said something like by these grey shores shall i await you and your labors will be hard.So he must of known.Right?

03-22-2005, 11:42 AM	#7
Maerbenn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 59	It is said in the first paragraph of the essay on the Istari published in Unfinished Tales that “none save maybe Elrond, Círdan and Galadriel discovered of what kind they were or whence they came.” According to the third paragraph, it was “for long known only to Círdan” that the Ithron “came from over the Sea out of the Uttermost West.”

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