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Old 05-19-2005, 11:31 AM   #1
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Come on, Oddwen. Save yourself from the gallows. I need to see a proper defense from you before I vote, and I've got to go to work at 3:00.
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Old 05-19-2005, 01:55 PM   #2
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So this is the last step.

It seems as though you've already formed a judgement of me, Fea.

I am no werewolf. Random, yes, werewolf, no. My erraticism and pointlessness are from a fear of the game, rather than any master plan...

My vote for Firefoot was a completely random choice - It was a choice between her and anyone else who hadn't posted.
My retraction of that vote was a chagrined one, as I realized then that being hasty could be fatal to the wrong people.
As to the "odd" part of that post...that was as tp called it "a spot of fun".

Any lack of vote after that was because Sunday was a family day and I didn't get any real time online.

And on Monday and Tuesday...by the time I could get online, the voting was done and there was no need for me to say anything...nor indeed anything I could think of to say.

My hasty vote for Bilbo on Wednesday I regret, for I believe now it was another random wild shot on my part, only this time gone wrong.

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Wouldn't it be a regular werewolfish trick to continue to hide in the tall grass and let the other two tear each other to pieces and then come in and cast the deciding vote? (Kuru)
This does seem like a very werewolfish thing to do. If you know anything about me however, you'd know that I loathe decisions and make them as soon as humanly possible, if at all.

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It has to be Oddwen. (Fea)
Why? I've been my usual random self. Though I don't know much of you two, Kuru is the one acting closest to what I know of his behavior.

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I think mormegil is the seer. I say this because of what I've already said... he's the only one to put forth that he thinks I'm innocent. That's a danger to him, but if he knows that I'm innocent, he would try to keep me alive any how.
Why would you reveal your suspicions on the seer when others feared losing him too much to say anything? Seems to me villagers, in addition to defending ourselves, would have a duty to hide the seer if he was the only one who could KNOW about a werewolf.


These are very disjointed thoughts, I'll try again tonight.
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:30 PM   #3
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No need to try again, Oddwen, since I don't think you are guilty. I think it is Kuruharan who has been playing us as fools.

Frankly, I was afraid that you wouldn't post in time and that you would then be considered to be voting for yourself. I assumed that Kuru would then proceed to kill you off and win the game.

Of the last three players, I know that I am innocent, and I've long since decided that you are. My vote is for ++Kuruharan, and has been for awhile now.
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:51 PM   #4
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Actually, I’m the one who has been played for a fool. However, I’ve probably deserved it. From DAY ONE I thought Feanor was a werewolf. Her behavior that day and sometimes subsequently has been puzzling, as I noted before. She attacked both Saucepan Man and bilbo_baggins on the first day and was supported in her assertions by Anguirel. Now, we know all too well that Saucepan Man and bilbo_baggins were innocent and Anguirel was the werewolf. Feanor never did retract her vote from Saucepan Man that day, even though she had plenty of time to do so.

On DAY TWO Feanor looked like she was going up the steps. I thought this was a perfectly rational thing to do. However, mormegil was the seer and convinced us (more or less) to hang Firefoot. This turned out to be correct. However, notice on that DAY Feanor couldn't resist returning to beat on poor bilbo_baggins...again. However, she did not actually make a vote for some time, almost as if she’s taken a hint from something. She finally did cast her vote against the phantom, who we now know to be innocent. Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Notice how after Mithalwen voted for Firefoot, Feanor changed her vote as if she saw a way out of her little mess by hopping on the bandwagon.

Now, lets take a look at the pattern of the last couple of victims. On DAY FOUR, we awoke to find that the phantom had absconded. On DAY THREE, even though he voted for Primrose, the phantom actually built a case against Feanor which at least seemed plausible. (Would that I had listened at the time.) The summary of his remarks on the subject is that mormegil may not have dreamed about Feanor. He may have just assumed Feanor was innocent or, as the phantom suggested, he was trying to let us know that he did not know about Feanor. Low and behold, the next morning the phantom is dead.

On DAY FIVE, what happens but Feanor’s favorite old whipping boy bilbo_baggins turns up in the dock. While, I must admit that it seems a little suspicious that Oddwen put him up, Feanor’s contribution to the situation piles onto a mountain of suspicion much greater than Oddwen’s. Feanor certainly acted with the utmost alacrity to add her vote to one who we now know to be innocent. Then we had Mithalwen, the dissenting voice (forgive me Mithalwen, for I have yet again done something incredibly stooopid) who returned with a reinforced argument that contained bits and pieces of my original arguments. I’m beginning to think that the reason why I’ve lasted this long is because I’m so obviously stone deaf that I can’t hear a thing that is said to me. Well, I’m listening now and I hope it is not too late.

Then we have this lulu of an exchange…

Mithalwen-

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If one of them is guilty then I salute you for playing a blinder
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I'm not sure what a blinder is (presumably someone or something that intentionally messes with how people see things?), but I will gracefully accept that salute.
Now I wonder if Feanor is really so very ignorant of what Mithalwen said. On the face of it, Feanor just confessed to being the werewolf we’ve all been looking for. Now, she may really not have known what “blinder” means. (In case anyone does not know, it means doing a really good job and such like). In this context, Mithalwen was referring to the werewolf. I begin to think it is possible that Feanor said that sarcastically, attempting to cover it, but still sarcastically believing that Mithalwen was in bed and would not be up again until too late.

Then, what do we find on DAY SIX? Mithalwen is unceremoniously (and I do mean unceremoniously) slain, who had been so dangerously persuasive on DAY FIVE. Someone apparently did not want Mithalwen’s brain to be working on this problem any farther. And, what does she do but accuse me who has done nothing but attempt to exercise patience throughout. She's probably mad at me because I failed to seal bilbo_baggins' fate hours before Mithalwen could have intervened and tried to direct us onto the true course. Also notice that there is no explanation as to why I am guilty. Just an implicit demand to go along.

Well, here at last, on the shore of the…uhhh…town pond, I come again to the same puzzlement that has beset me from the beginning. Why would Feanor go charging off at anybody and everybody without any knowledge of the situation? The obvious answer is that she is the last werewolf. No other explanation makes nearly the sense that this one does. And here we are, three of us left and one of us is a werewolf. One of the three is the one we’ve suspected from the very beginning. She's been incessantly howling her innocence to anybody and everybody. As Shakespeare said "I think she doth protest too much." I should have never abandoned my belief in the simplest answer always being the best. I think we should have done this a lot sooner.

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Old 05-19-2005, 04:12 PM   #5
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From DAY ONE I thought Feanor was a werewolf.
So from day one, you were wrong. Congratulations.

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She attacked both Saucepan Man and bilbo_baggins on the first day and was supported in her assertions by Anguirel.
Yeah, because on the first day, I thought that they were guilty, and on the first day, Anguirel was trying to get me killed. When the game is over, ask him yourself.

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Feanor never did retract her vote from Saucepan Man that day, even though she had plenty of time to do so.
Because I still thought he was guilty.

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On DAY TWO Feanor looked like she was going up the steps.
*giggle* Yeah. I'm glad you guys changed your minds... would have been awful if you'd killed an innocent (me) instead of a werewolf (Firefoot).

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However, notice on that DAY Feanor couldn't resist returning to beat on poor bilbo_baggins...again.
Because I still thought he was guilty.

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Feanor changed her vote as if she saw a way out of her little mess by hopping on the bandwagon.
Because I realized that even though I'm really good at keeping myself alive, I'm apparently really bad at guessing who's guilty or not.

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the phantom actually built a case against Feanor which at least seemed plausible.
Plausible, yes. Accurate... pretty much. Did tp come to the wrong conclusion... heck yes he did.

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Now I wonder if Feanor is really so very ignorant of what Mithalwen said.
I am. Honestly, I'd never heard the term before. Hence my pretty much entirely inaccurate guess of the meaning.

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Just an implicit demand to go along.
I'm like that. Plus I was busy. Remember B-W's unceremonious killing of Mithalwen? My attempted lynching of you fits into those same guidelines.
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Old 05-19-2005, 04:30 PM   #6
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Boots *sigh*

Oddwen-

First of all, before I say anything else about what Feanor just said, I'm not asking you to believe just me. I'm asking you to believe the phantom and especially Mithalwen. Re-read what Mithalwen said yesterday and just think about what she'd be saying if she'd made it to this point. I think there is a painfully obvious reason why Mithalwen could not possibly be allowed to make it here.

Feanor is asking (actually demanding, and beginning to get kind of shrill about it to, if I may say) you to take her word for it (always unwise in a game of this nature) and offering no evidence to support it. She just taunts me for being "mistaken" and then embarks upon a voyage of self-justification.

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Regarding The Saucepan Man and bilbo_baggins (said repeatedly)

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Because I still thought he was guilty.
(Notice the italics, she seems to be getting desperate.)

Why? There was no reason to think so. There was never any reason to think Saucepan Man was guilty. Suspicion about bilbo developed only gradually. So, I ask again, why?

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*giggle* Yeah. I'm glad you guys changed your minds
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Plausible, yes. Accurate... pretty much. Did tp come to the wrong conclusion... heck yes he did.
This does not follow. If it is plausible and accurate (by your own admission) then the chances are that it is true.
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Old 05-19-2005, 04:44 PM   #7
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I think there is a painfully obvious reason why Mithalwen could not possibly be allowed to make it here.
Sure there is. This one:

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And just think... if we kill bilbo and I'm wrong, then tonight the werewolf will kill another innocent. That narrows the list of Alive down to three people. If I'm still alive, and Mith is still alive, that pretty much means I'll know who the werewolf is.
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offering no evidence to support it
I most certainly gave an excellent reason for my choice. I know that I'm innocent, and I'm reasonably certain that Oddwen is. Looking around, I see only you left. I'd be happy to point my finger if you can give me another target. Can you blame me for choosing you by default?

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(Notice the italics, she seems to be getting desperate.)
The idea was to get my point across.

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This does not follow. If it is plausible and accurate (by your own admission) then the chances are that it is true.
Sure, chances are that it's true, but chances are often wrong. Let me clarify: given the evidence that the phantom saw, he came to that conclusion. My point is that he was not seeing what was there. He misread the evidence. Remember how we accidentally lynched a few innocents? You blame me for it, but I certainly wasn't the only person voting. If y'all honestly thought I was guilty, then why in the world would you listen to me!?
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Old 05-19-2005, 04:50 PM   #8
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Gah! Deciding vote! Must...not...screw...up!

Well, here's the end:

Fea, you don't think I'm guilty because you know that you are. Your last words to me are a last-ditch attempt to turn me against Kuru.

Not for nothing have you been suspected by everyone in this village. You are a very subtle wolf - the "sneak" that fits into your own unholy trio. And dangerous as well, as poor Mith, phantom, morm, bilbo and Primrose know. You've succeeded in throwing the attention away from yourself very well indeed.

Thus, I must side with the unfortunate dead and vote ++Feanor of the Peredhil, as should have been days ago.

(And if I'm wrong, I pray to die swiftly )
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