The Eagles

[Thinlómien]

And perhaps Sauron would have noticed the eagles too easily... I mean: though they're the fastest they could be ambushed or attacked from the place they are going to. I don't think eagles are very difficult to notice...

[Gurthang]

...especially ones as big as these. You could see them from miles away.

Another thought I've had was that, although the Wraith's steeds do die rather easily(too easily, in my opinion), having the Ring so near could have driven them to fight harder.

At the Black Gate the Eagles came upon the Ringwraiths in suprise, diving out of the sky and striking out almost before they were known to be there. The Ring's whereabouts were unknown. If the Eagles had Frodo and the Ring it would be different. First the Wraiths would see them coming, so no suprise attack. Second, with the Ring so close, they would push themselves and their steeds harder and fight more fiercely.

It seems to me that, if the Eagles did attempt this 'hit-and-fade', it would fail.

[Bêthberry]

Involving the eagles in carrying Frodo to Mt. Doom would, I suggest, have turned them into a sort of Air al-Gwahir whereas Tolkien appears to have preferred to restrict them to a sort of MASH capability (Mobile Air Search/rescue 'Hir). They can't look too much like a certain wizard's crow corps.

Okay, okay, bad I know, but not Rada-ghastly.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

And, in addition to possible anti-eagle flak and nazgul air combat, what about
kamikaze nazgul air attacks , with the ring then easily retreived on the ground.

Plus, recall that even Gwaihir told Gandalf, when rescuing him from Orthanc,
that he couldn't carry him forever, so a Great Eagle would have had to travel in several stages, with perhaps the nearest final flight originating from the White
Mountains?

[Gird]

I have myself thought long and hard about this subject, and I think it would work. If they had taken the eagles from the start, then the ring wraiths would still be riding horses, there would be no way to attack the eagles. Also, if they flew above the clouds for the last few miles, they would not be visible to Mordor's armies.

The time would also be lessened so much that Frodo would not be nearly as attached to the ring and would have a lot less trouble disposing of it in the end. He would then not have to go to the grey havens at the end because he'd be perfectly healthy and would feel rest in the shire.

In the worst case scenario, Sauron would sense the ring coming and would have troops all around the mountain. Those troops would be easy enough for Gandalf to take care of and make a path for Frodo to get the ring in. Sadly, Frodo and Gandalf might be sacrificed in this desperate run, but it would be better to lose two then to lose the hundreds and thousands that do die in the story as it is right now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Manwe could have done it and saved even more time.

[Eledhewin Ilanora]

I think Tolkein had balanced everything in his books. When there is eagles it was balanced with the nazguls. Without the nazguls the whole story about the eagles appearing here and there would look silly, and the whole epic will be ridiculous since the eagles could be used to a great extend.

When the eagle saved Gandalf from Isengard, could it be that Saruman had tipped off Sauron about the Eagles involvements? And Sauron do have a counter plans to bring down the eagles should they carry the ring or the ringbearer at any range?

Though, Sauron was to stupid to know that his beloved ring was actually heading towards his own fords, he left the Mount Doom unguarded all the while. Or he is too confident that none can actually make it into his teritory.

But, seeing eagles flying into Mt.Doom would trigger him to excute his counter plan against the eagles. Gandalf and eagles could have know this. It makes sense.

If so..could it be that Sauron is allready eyeing the eagles..thus making any attempts by the eagle to destroy his plans would be useless??

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think the main (only) purpose of this thread is to point out how silly the films were in that regard. Or how awkward it was to turn the story into a film.

I appreciate the difficulty but really: the Eagles were not explained at all. As a consequence, the non-book-reader was left scratching his/her head, or venturing to offer theories already scrutinised 100 times on the Downs alone.

[Elladan and Elrohir]

Originally Posted by Gird

I have myself thought long and hard about this subject, and I think it would work. If they had taken the eagles from the start, then the ring wraiths would still be riding horses, there would be no way to attack the eagles. Also, if they flew above the clouds for the last few miles, they would not be visible to Mordor's armies.

The time would also be lessened so much that Frodo would not be nearly as attached to the ring and would have a lot less trouble disposing of it in the end. He would then not have to go to the grey havens at the end because he'd be perfectly healthy and would feel rest in the shire.

In the worst case scenario, Sauron would sense the ring coming and would have troops all around the mountain. Those troops would be easy enough for Gandalf to take care of and make a path for Frodo to get the ring in. Sadly, Frodo and Gandalf might be sacrificed in this desperate run, but it would be better to lose two then to lose the hundreds and thousands that do die in the story as it is right now.

What happens when Sauron himself shows up at Mount Doom? You think Gandalf can just "take care" of him? Plus, it don't matter how long you have it, no one could throw the Ring into the Cracks of Doom. The Ring's power is stronger nowhere else than at Mount Doom. No one had the will power to throw it in, not Frodo, not Gandalf, not anybody. Game over. Free Peoples lose. Insert tokens.

[The Perky Ent]

One of the greatest plotholes in all of LOTR!

BTW, they coulda dropped the ring from the top of the mountain, and if not there, the eagle could throw Frodo off