Tol-in-Gaurhoth revisited (aka Werewolf 2)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh come now, Mith, that's just mean. The only thing that makes me an "asset" to the wolves is the fact that people can't distinguish between being outspoken and being guilty. Everyone knows that I'm outspoken... you'd be even more suspicious of me if I were to lay low and keep out of the discussion. I can't win either way, and that bites.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

The only thing that makes me an "asset" to the wolves is the fact that people can't distinguish between being outspoken and being guilty.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Quite honestly, I spent a good portion of my time lying.

I would posit that it is actually in the villagers' best interests to tell the truth (albeit that it is advisable to keep quiet about any secret role that they might have). Accordingly, it seems to me that a villager who spends much of their time lying is likely to be an asset to the Werewolves, since this serves to spread (or increase) confusion and carries with it the likelihood that the liar will be suspected of being a Werewolf him- or herself...

In any event, the game has been over for some time now and has been well and truly dissected in the subsequent posts. I should be grateful, therefore, if one of the Admins could close it.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Oh come now, Mith, that's just mean.

Not mean.... assuming you mean what I think you mean by mean which isn't what I mean by mean... just practical ...and you admitted you spent a lot of time lying .... if you confuse people enough you will look guilty at some point - and so it will be easier to get you out of the way before perpetual confusion sets in..... and remember you haven't been killed by werewolves yet. And if you haven't noticed this game has wakened my usually dormant competitive streak and linked into the ruthless efficiency that is usually reserved for my professional life. There may be casualties...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No, it's just mean because the only things I lie about are suspicions because it's nice to see who defends who and what the reactions are. If I'm killed immediately every time (or banned from playing with certain members), than what's the point of joining in? "Keeping things simple" defeats half the fun.

[Mithalwen]

Well bottom line is you make yourself vulnerable. If you have to more or less take a stab in the dark on your vote, then the good target is the one who will pay a grief dividend in the event of them being a lynched innocent. If I play games I play them to win - if you don't take them seriously they aren't fun.

[Encaitare]

I think I'll sit the next one out, just to take a little break. It was a fun game, though, and I'd definitely be interested in playing sometime again.

[the phantom]

I think the slice of luck he was afforded came about when the mob decided not to adopt my strategy -- or, for that matter, any strategy -- and to instead hang me on the "evidence" that I had developed a strategy...

But you must realize that no one but a werewolf can have a truly solid strategy on day one since only the werewolves know who is innocent and who is not. Day one is a complete shot in the dark, and everyone knows it, so if you seem to know what you are doing on day one people are going to suspect you. Sorry, lad, but that's just the way it is. Maybe they'll listen to you next time (of course, you might be a wolf next time).

Plus, you should have picked a different target. Sure, I'm disliked by some and you might get their votes, but there were also a couple of villagers that I am friendly with and they were not too anxious to get rid of me. You should've gone after BW. People would've piled on him, I bet.

it was my bad luck that I accused a werewolf, as that meant I immediately brought down three wolves on my neck, which meant they only needed to fool...er...sway three villagers to their 'cause'.

Ah, but four of the first five "kill Fordy" votes came from villagers. We wolves did not even lead the counter charge- we let the villagers do it.

I think the truth is that the best course of action will always to be lynch Fea instantly. She is the Werewolves' greatest asset even if she doesn't happen to be a werewolf herself.......

Ha ha ha!

By the way, I've finished my review of this game. You can read it on the Random Thoughts page of my website. I included excerpts from pms sent to Spawn and Nim during our nightly planning sessions, as well as a couple of my pms to Saucy declaring our target for the night. Enjoy...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Fea

No, it's just mean because the only things I lie about are suspicions because it's nice to see who defends who and what the reactions are.

I agree that this is a valid strategy at the start of the game, since you can tell a lot by people's reactions to being accused (or defended). My own view is that, since this is (as I see it) a team game, Villagers should be more concerned about flushing out the Werewolves than avoiding being killed, unless they are the Seer or the Guardian, in which case their lives are more valuable. After all, a Villager is going to get killed each night, and you might as well risk being that Villager (or even risk getting lynched) in order to follow a course which you think will assist the Villagers in their ultimate goal of eliminating the Werewolves. Accordingly, my suspicions are always aroused when someone seems to be putting more energy into defending themselves or avoiding saying anything controversial than into trying to deduce who the Werewolves are.

But I do agree with Mithalwen. Your strategy is one which makes you vulnerable. And I think that it's value becomes less as the game wears on when clarity rather than confusion is of most vlaue to the Villagers.

Nice analysis, phantom. I wondered how your suspicions that BW was the Hunter had arisen. I like the thought processes that went into selecting Enca as your victim on the final NIGHT although, from what I knew, I was pretty sure that you would pick her,

[Holbytlass]

Oooohh....I have chills running up and down my spine! Nothing like reading about thoughts on your own demise. And that squeezing the eye thing , I'm sure SpM did you all proud!!