Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Shelob]

so We've a bard...and loremaster...and I was planning on being a story-teller....

...I hereby dub our village "Story Land" (too much free time? me?...what gave you that idea?)

[Holbytlass]

I shall be the cobbler, you all need shoes and repairs done 'cause of all that walking around singing and entertaining and gathering of lore.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Eomer

I am still slightly concerned about it slowing down the game; suppose the Hunter cannot choose a victim until a day after he/she is lynched, but I'm sure I could work around that.

I think the circumstances in which the Hunter could not give you their choice fairly quickly will be limited. It might delay the conclusion of the DAY/NIGHT on which it occurs slightly, but it would only happen the once.

So hasty voting with the full intention of retracting the vote later will not be smiled upon, but I think the option adds more realism. It's just good etiquette not to chop and change your vote all the time.

Fair enough.

... but maybe the villagers will win for a change!

The pressure is on the Werewolves to make it a hat trick. (Ai! I hope that I'm not a Werewolf now ... )

Philosopher, Bard, Loremaster, Story-teller ...

Too many high falutin' types. This Village is more like a '60s commune. It needs decent, honest, hardworking folk. Those useful members of the community who produce the necessities of life. So I shall be ...

... the Village Brewer! A cheery, hearty and friendly sort of fellow, rather wide in girth and red in the nose. Fine Barley Wine and Scrumpy Cider a speciality.

EDIT: A word of advice, Eomer. Double check everything that you send and post. It can be very easy to unwittingly give clues in what you say (for example by referring to the Hunter or the Seer as a he or she).

[The Only Real Estel]

posted by Holybtlass:

choosing our death...I'm mean our occupation
I shall be the cobbler, you all need shoes and repairs done 'cause of all that walking around singing and entertaining and gathering of lore.

Hmmm, so this time you'll have your eyes ground out with a pair of your own shoes, eh?

I will be a merchant who has fallen upon hard times, unfortunately.

[Saurreg]

Hi, I'm not too fond about the role-playing aspect and will hence sit this one out. Enjoy yourselves.

[Oddwen]

If there's another spot open, I'd like to play again. And not die.
And I shall be...a gardener/florist. Flower power, and all that groovy stuff.

[Evisse the Blue]

Though not overly fond of the role-playing aspect either (for entirely selfish reasons, that is because I'm not good at it) I am not going to sit this one out, it's too much fun. My only minor concern is with the time zones, I am with those that would like this bit explained one more time.Sorry for being so dense.

Anyway, since you guys beat me to all the cool occupations, I'll be a fishmonger. And I'll wheel my wheel barrow, through streets wide and narrow....you know the song. ; ) I'm a friendly and familiar sort of person. How else would I be if I expect people to buy from me?
Looking forward to seeing you all in "Story Land". : )

[Son of Númenor]

I am the bushy-bearded village contractor.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Sorry for the delay. I think Eomer is going to make a great werewolf snack the first NIGHT of the game. Have fun everyone!

[Kuruharan]

But consider an example from the last game: Nimrodel_9 was lynched without being afforded the chance to defend herself. What absolute drama, had she confronted the baying mob and, with a silver tongue, persuaded the villagers to lynch someone else.

I still disagree strongly with this decision. Being in a *cough* position to know , I promise you that bilbo_baggins almost met exactly the same fate in the first game and it was a tactical decision on my part to spare him. That cannot be counted on to happen again. I believe that it is still too easy for the werewolves to be able to manipulate the hasty voting of people who vote too quickly. (And this as a former werewolf). I like the idea of there being some reason for people to take their time. (Of course, now, against the odds, I'll probably be a werewolf and my own arguments could come back to bite me in the butt... )

Nimrodel_9 was slightly different too because it was so painfully obvious that she was a werewolf (or at least it seemed painfully obvious since the Seer had not dreamt about her). What was there to say or do differently?

And is a new job really better or more important than Werewolf?

Better? No! Definitely not!

More important? Well...I like to eat once in a while (and buy new video games too...) and werewolf doesn't put food on the table.

Oh...wait a minute...

I guess I'll be the weird dwarf who drifted into town, took a fancy to Saucepan's beer and moved in. Do you think this role will be a stretch for me?

[Holbytlass]

Very funny, Real Estel...but no fair giving wolves (and moderator) ideas! Otherwise you could fall upon hard things other than just times!

Evisse-don't worry about the time zones. When the mod (in this case Eomer) posts the beginning of Day or Night phase just look at the time he posted in the upper left corner of the post. Then you know you have 24 hours from that time to do whatever you need to. Hope that helps.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If participants are more comfortable with unretractable votes then we might as well use that method again. We have plenty of time left before we start so give us some thoughts. It's not a major issue; whatever suits you guys will be used.

I thought I would put it off until 6PM GMT (1PM EST) on Friday to give everyone a fair chance to discuss issues and sign up; and, of course, to build anticipation!

As for the times, I thought I would list GMT and EST in my posts. If there are other times which any participants want to see then just let us know.

Saurreg, honestly, the role-playing aspect is actually very minor. It's very easy to ignore. We'd love to have new players but if you'd rather sit this one out then that's fine.

Saucy, your words of wisdom have been heeded. And Oddwen is in.

Another thing: remember that the roles will be assigned randomly. So just because morm and Holby were the previous seers, it does not mean that they are any less likely to be the seer this time.

morm's words are also fair enough. We need to properly distinguish betwixt the games of Werewolf, so nothing is to be said of previous villages or wolves or 'marriages' or lynchings.


So....for now: let's hear your thoughts about the retractable votes. And Evisse, if you could specify your concerns about the times please.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

I think that a vote, once cast, should stay cast and not be open to changing -- for the simple reason that allowing vote changes gives the werewolves an advantage insofar as they could vote for each other, then switch if there's a danger of the vote going against one of their number.

[Mithalwen]

I personally prefer the option of retracting a vote ... partly it is more realistic and interesting if there is the possibility of changing people minds ... but of course I would find it very suspicious if votes were changed randomly rather than because of some convincing argument. If you have unretractable votes... someone may vote early becasue they cannot be certain of getting back online and fear punishment for non-participation and then see something has happened that chages their mind - ie a post by someone who might be the seer.... Also there is a tendency to follow the herd once say 3 votes are up... the result seems inevitable so it is waved through.... and so if the 3 wolves are clever they can get someone lynched straight off .... I think the irretractable vote favours the wolves...

[Evisse the Blue]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

So....for now: let's hear your thoughts about the retractable votes. And Evisse, if you could specify your concerns about the times please.

No concerns anymore, as Holbytlass explained it to me, thanks Holbytlass.

As for retractable votes, I'm for.
I think that someone can very well change their minds after they've heard others' arguments, without it looking suspicious.

[Shelob]

I can understand the argument for changing votes, esp. 'cause it is rather unbelievable that people wouldn't change their votes. But as I see the point of having final votes is so that people can discuss whom to kill without worrying about seeing "++Shelob " or "--Shelob" in the middle of everyone's posts.

If you, instead of casting a vote whenever you change your mind, simply make your current opinion and the reasons for it clear then once you've had a fair chance to read/see as many different views as possible you'll be in a possition to make one well informed* vote rather than ye-many shots in the dark.


*taking into account, of course, the lying and trickery of the werewolves, the subtle attempts at guidance from the seer, and the unsurety of anything/everything.