Tol-in-Gaurhoth III (The Saga Continues...) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Only Real Estel · 06-06-2005, 07:17 AM

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(NB: On double lynchings: the rules were changed after the first game. If there is a tie, two (or more...) people are lynched.)

I thought I recalled that.

Well, so far the voting goes:
3 for Son of Numenor
2 for Saucepan Man
2 for the phantom
1 for Holbytlass

I do not think I will vote for phantom because Saucepan's seeming pardon of Fordim has me uneasy and makes me want to substitue Fordim for phantom in my theory (because it would work just as well that way as with the phantom in it). But both Sauce and SoN are highly suspected by me right now and I'm split between the vote. I am 90% sure that we could bag a werewolf with Son, but almost equally as sure we could do the same by hanging Sauce (though his posts of late have cast a few shadows of doubt in my mind).
I plan on posting my vote late, again, hopefully more arguments will come to light by then.

Originally posted by SpM:

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But I will stick to my beliefs. And to put an end to this silly suggestion that I am somehow in league with SoN, I shall vote right now, before it can be said that I was trying to protect a fellow Werewolf by voting for him only when it was safe to do so.
So I shall vote for:

++ SON OF NUMENOR

But just because you're voting for him hardly puts to rest any questions of league between the two of you. If a wolf senses his partner is going down (and SoN is now the top vote-getter) I would not expect you to vote last or vote otherwise; in other words I wouldn't be at all suprised to see you as a wolf taking down SoN, who is a wolf. And especially seeing how you voting for SoN momentarily tied him with yourself for the most votes.

mormegil · 06-06-2005, 07:22 AM

TORE there is actually two votes for the phantom. Look at post 125 from Azaleia.

Edit: Ah I see that it has been corrected.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-06-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TORE

Well, so far the voting goes:
2 for Son of Numenor
2 for Saucepan Man
1 for Holbytlass
1 for the phantom

Actually, it's:

3 for Son of Numenor
2 for Saucepan Man
1 for Holbytlass
2 for the phantom

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Originally Posted by TORE

If a wolf senses his partner is going down (and SoN is now the top vote-getter) I would not expect you to vote last or vote otherwise ...

Yet I was the first to vote for him, at a time when only Firefoot, other than I, had given any serious indication of voting for him.

Holbytlass · 06-06-2005, 07:25 AM

Actually, Estel, Phantom has 2 votes from Azalia and Mormegil.
So it's SoN-3
Phantom-2
SpM-2
Holby-1
myself, Fordim, and Estel needing to vote, and less than an hour to do so.
I was going to vote when there was a 3 way tie. Then Oddwen voted for me. Therefore I held off my vote in case I had to save myself.
I will vote for ++Son of Numenor for two reseans(sp?). Obviously now, even if Fordim and Estel vote for me I'm saved from the tied- double lynching. The other (and this is for when I originally was going to vote) I do think that Phantom and Saucepan Man are highly suspicios. Although at this point there smarts are needed. I am scared they are wolves using their wit against the rest of innocents. But then Kuru suggestion of looking to the secondary people comes to mind. If anything at all, the outcome of SoN's death will be very illuminating.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-06-2005, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

... myself, Fordim, and Estel needing to vote ...

... and SoN.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 06-06-2005, 07:36 AM

Well, one thing that has become clear to me is that I was right about this game when I first heard of it – until the third round, at the earliest, there is nothing approaching “hard evidence” to point toward any one person’s guilt. At this point it is still entirely possible to make arguments for or against everybody! But I am happy to see that the vote is being split amongst so many people, leaving very little wiggle room for the wolves. With five people voted for already, the odds are very good that one of them is a wolf, so we can watch the votes from here out with some interest…

As to my vote, I am stuck. I would love to vote for Kuru on the thinking that he is either, a) a wolf or b) a villager who is helping the wolves inadvertently with his rather confusing and confounding posts. Unfortunately, a single for him at this point is unlikely to get him lynched – the only way that would happen would be if virtually every who is still to vote followed my lead. If he turned out to be an innocent, then this would make me look very very bad. As much as I would like to play this game selflessly, it is clear that I need to take more care for my own skin than that. So for the time, I think, Kuru is safe.

My next choice after Kuru is The Phantom for precisely the same reasons: he is either a wolf, or a villager who is helping the wolves hide with his own flurry of distracting speculations and self-congratulatory “conclusions” about people. The other thing that speaks greatly in favour of voting for TP is that it will break the current three-way tie between himself, Sauce and SoN – the last thing I want is a wholesale slaughter!

Hmmmmm…things are happening fast. Since I typed that last paragraph, The Phantom has gone on to vote for SoN, apparently to save his own neck. Seems fair to me…

The votes at this moment so far as I can tell are:

Phantom 2
Holbytlass 1
Sauce 2
SoN 3

So what do I do? I’m tempted to vote for the Phantom anyway and tie it up again, putting pressure on the remaining voters…

Boy, but the squeeze is being put on me!! If I vote for someone now and they end up getting lynched and they’re innocent, I’ll definitely be considered a wolf. If I tie it up, and there are wolves yet to vote, then they will be able to decide whom to lynch…the safest course for me, personally, is to cast a “meaningless” vote for Kuru who, like I said at the beginning of this bizarrely stream-of-consciousness post, is my first choice…

Just read Holbytlass’s latest post (158) and note that it is down to herself, me and Estel to decide this thing…and Saucy in 159 reminding me of SoN.

All right! That tears it…I need to vote for somebody and I don’t want the weight of being the last to vote. As it would appear as though SoN is the “leader” and as it would appear as though he is trying the rather wolfish strategy of waiting to the last minute to cast his vote (as I would appear to be doing as well, I realize) I am going to vote for

++ Son of Numenor

Even though I have no reason to think that he is a wolf. In fact, I tend to think that he is probably innocent, but this just seems a safer vote to me than one that might allow a late-voting wolf to make a tie and thus wipe out more than one villager. So I am deeply sorry Sono, but this seems to me the best course of action for the villagers…

That having been said, if SoN is innocent, I am going to go after SaucepanMan and The Phantom with everything I’ve got in the next day, since they have lead the charge against SoN today…

The Only Real Estel · 06-06-2005, 07:40 AM

I think I have my final decision but I am going to hold it a bit longer, I hope you all will not think less of me if I end up voting last (again).

I will say though, Sauce, that I'd like to hear as much compelling evidence as you have about yourself ASAP.

The Only Real Estel · 06-06-2005, 07:51 AM

Well, since SoN is clearly the one to be hung at this point & he is near the top of my suspect list I see no need to hold my vote longer.

I vote for ++ Son of Numenor

And I am quite confident that we've finally taken a step toward thwarting the wolves.

Son of Númenor · 06-06-2005, 07:52 AM

I suppose my fate is sealed, but I still suspect ++the phantom more than I do myself.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-06-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TORE

I think I have my final decision but I am going to hold it a bit longer ...

With the votes from Holby and Fordim, the tally stands at:

Phantom 2
Holbytlass 1
Sauce 2
SoN 5

Since there are only two votes left, it will be SoN who faces the gallows.

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Originally Posted by TORE

I will say though, Sauce, that I'd like to hear as much compelling evidence as you have about yourself ASAP.

You want me to provide evidence against myself? Nah, there's enough other people doing that at the moment, thanks.

Besides, if SoN's innocent I may well survive the night, but I'm toast tomorrow.

Edit: Written before TORE's vote.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 06-06-2005, 07:54 AM

On the upside Saucy, if Sono is a wolf, you will not only be hailed as a hero (by me at least) and exonerated of all suspicions (by me at least), but perhaps then you and I can start to work together to bring down the rest of these hairy brutes...

But like I said, if he's an innocent...

Holbytlass · 06-06-2005, 07:37 AM

oh, I forgot about him voting.....great, so much for thinking I was safe.

06-06-2005, 07:22 AM	#2
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	TORE there is actually two votes for the phantom. Look at post 125 from Azaleia. Edit: Ah I see that it has been corrected. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

06-06-2005, 07:25 AM	#4
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Actually, Estel, Phantom has 2 votes from Azalia and Mormegil. So it's SoN-3 Phantom-2 SpM-2 Holby-1 myself, Fordim, and Estel needing to vote, and less than an hour to do so. I was going to vote when there was a 3 way tie. Then Oddwen voted for me. Therefore I held off my vote in case I had to save myself. I will vote for ++Son of Numenor for two reseans(sp?). Obviously now, even if Fordim and Estel vote for me I'm saved from the tied- double lynching. The other (and this is for when I originally was going to vote) I do think that Phantom and Saucepan Man are highly suspicios. Although at this point there smarts are needed. I am scared they are wolves using their wit against the rest of innocents. But then Kuru suggestion of looking to the secondary people comes to mind. If anything at all, the outcome of SoN's death will be very illuminating. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII Last edited by Holbytlass; 06-06-2005 at 07:35 AM.

06-06-2005, 07:37 AM	#12
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	oh, I forgot about him voting.....great, so much for thinking I was safe. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

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06-06-2005, 07:36 AM	#6
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Well, one thing that has become clear to me is that I was right about this game when I first heard of it – until the third round, at the earliest, there is nothing approaching “hard evidence” to point toward any one person’s guilt. At this point it is still entirely possible to make arguments for or against everybody! But I am happy to see that the vote is being split amongst so many people, leaving very little wiggle room for the wolves. With five people voted for already, the odds are very good that one of them is a wolf, so we can watch the votes from here out with some interest… As to my vote, I am stuck. I would love to vote for Kuru on the thinking that he is either, a) a wolf or b) a villager who is helping the wolves inadvertently with his rather confusing and confounding posts. Unfortunately, a single for him at this point is unlikely to get him lynched – the only way that would happen would be if virtually every who is still to vote followed my lead. If he turned out to be an innocent, then this would make me look very very bad. As much as I would like to play this game selflessly, it is clear that I need to take more care for my own skin than that. So for the time, I think, Kuru is safe. My next choice after Kuru is The Phantom for precisely the same reasons: he is either a wolf, or a villager who is helping the wolves hide with his own flurry of distracting speculations and self-congratulatory “conclusions” about people. The other thing that speaks greatly in favour of voting for TP is that it will break the current three-way tie between himself, Sauce and SoN – the last thing I want is a wholesale slaughter! Hmmmmm…things are happening fast. Since I typed that last paragraph, The Phantom has gone on to vote for SoN, apparently to save his own neck. Seems fair to me… The votes at this moment so far as I can tell are: Phantom 2 Holbytlass 1 Sauce 2 SoN 3 So what do I do? I’m tempted to vote for the Phantom anyway and tie it up again, putting pressure on the remaining voters… Boy, but the squeeze is being put on me!! If I vote for someone now and they end up getting lynched and they’re innocent, I’ll definitely be considered a wolf. If I tie it up, and there are wolves yet to vote, then they will be able to decide whom to lynch…the safest course for me, personally, is to cast a “meaningless” vote for Kuru who, like I said at the beginning of this bizarrely stream-of-consciousness post, is my first choice… Just read Holbytlass’s latest post (158) and note that it is down to herself, me and Estel to decide this thing…and Saucy in 159 reminding me of SoN. All right! That tears it…I need to vote for somebody and I don’t want the weight of being the last to vote. As it would appear as though SoN is the “leader” and as it would appear as though he is trying the rather wolfish strategy of waiting to the last minute to cast his vote (as I would appear to be doing as well, I realize) I am going to vote for ++ Son of Numenor Even though I have no reason to think that he is a wolf. In fact, I tend to think that he is probably innocent, but this just seems a safer vote to me than one that might allow a late-voting wolf to make a tie and thus wipe out more than one villager. So I am deeply sorry Sono, but this seems to me the best course of action for the villagers… That having been said, if SoN is innocent, I am going to go after SaucepanMan and The Phantom with everything I’ve got in the next day, since they have lead the charge against SoN today…

06-06-2005, 07:40 AM	#7
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I think I have my final decision but I am going to hold it a bit longer, I hope you all will not think less of me if I end up voting last (again). I will say though, Sauce, that I'd like to hear as much compelling evidence as you have about yourself ASAP.

06-06-2005, 07:51 AM	#8
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Well, since SoN is clearly the one to be hung at this point & he is near the top of my suspect list I see no need to hold my vote longer. I vote for ++ Son of Numenor And I am quite confident that we've finally taken a step toward thwarting the wolves.

06-06-2005, 07:52 AM	#9
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	I suppose my fate is sealed, but I still suspect ++the phantom more than I do myself.

06-06-2005, 07:54 AM	#11
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	On the upside Saucy, if Sono is a wolf, you will not only be hailed as a hero (by me at least) and exonerated of all suspicions (by me at least), but perhaps then you and I can start to work together to bring down the rest of these hairy brutes... But like I said, if he's an innocent...