Tol-in-Gaurhoth III (The Saga Continues...) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shelob · 06-10-2005, 07:49 AM

I'm still caught fairly evenly between Kuru and Saucepan Man...however one thing caught my eye:

"You are either lying or misrepresenting what I've been saying" ~Kuru

It was for this reason (though with Saucepan Man misrepresenting me, not Kuru) that led me to vote for Saucepan Man on day 2....

I still feel strongly that Kuru is a werewolf...but the only argument against him is one based on strategy...Saucepan Man has a few stronger points against him.

>his arguments are very fine tuned (as I've described in an above post)
>He has three times now (twice with me and once with Kuru) been accused of misrepresenting the views/opinions of other players...If I had been accused of such I would be far more careful to insure that no one could make that accusation again...as I said before misrepresentation can only lead to confusion and, eventually, a win for the werewolves...

For such reasons I feel it to be in our best interest that I vote ++THE SAUCEPAN MAN ...though part of me still screams against it...

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-10-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shelob

...though part of me still screams against it...

So it should, so it should.

Voting's up, isn't it? You know, I'm kind of relieved ...

The Only Real Estel · 06-10-2005, 08:23 AM

Um...oops, my vote would go towards ++Saucepan Man, then.

edit: I guess I was looking at the post time for phantom's lynching scene & not the post time for when we discovered Firefoot's end, sorry about that I had planned on going into a little more detail than just posting a vote, but I guess that'll have to wait until DAY

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-10-2005, 08:27 AM

That's ok, I am not going to adhere to the Barrow-wight's 'to the minute' tyranny!

It's not like Saucy needed another vote but.....o well. I'll post a new lynching scene momentarily.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-10-2005, 08:44 AM

And so The Saucepan Man was to be put to death. The villagers had decided that they'd take their chances and kill the brewer, rather than ensure a steady supply of ale. Tough choices indeed in these evil times.

Saucepan Man himself was not exactly the opposite of merry: he had been drinking much special brew these past few days, knowing full well that his fellows would kill him sooner or later. He had enjoyed his last hours as much as possible, but it was yet nagging him that the people were so hell-bent on killing one who had served them so well. Alas! he stumbled to the gallows.

Some villagers jeered at him; others stood in silence not at all convinced that this friendly man was a malevolent threat to them. The ceremony went very quickly, smoothly and efficiently; the villagers were well-practised in the art of hanging.

And as The Saucepan Man fell and his neck broke, it became apparent that that was not the villagers' speciality; no doubt, the villagers' field of mastery was the art of voting for completely innocent people to be murdered.

The wolves in the crowd could barely contain themselves from bursting into laughter.

Living:

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Fordim Hedgethistle
Holbytlass
Kuruharan
mormegil
Oddwen
Shelob
The Only Real Estel

Dead:

Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - mangled by werewolves on NIGHT 1
Evisse the Blue (Seer) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1
the guy who be short (Villager) - decapitated by werewolves on NIGHT 2
Son of Numenor (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 2
the phantom (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Firefoot (Guardian) - drowned in blood by werewolves on NIGHT 4
The Saucepan Man (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 4

Score:

Werewolves: 3
Villagers: 5

NIGHT 5 has begun, now that it is around 3:45 PM GMT (that's 10:45 AM EST) and 9:45 AM Central). It will end in 24 hours, or sooner if all night-time activity is reported to me by then.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-11-2005, 08:30 AM

To say the morale of Storyland was at an all-time low would be......entirely correct. The village was pretty much bathing in misery. Whither now could they turn to for guidance?

Early in the morning, a scream disturbed the sleepers. They rushed out to see what had happened, and what they saw was one of their fellows weeping on the ground outside the kirk. Inconsolable, all the poor thing could do was point upwards. The friends looked.......and saw the cleric mormegil skewered on the spire, away up in the sky; and the blood was dripping down on the walls of the kirk.

The villagers knew that they had used up all of their mistakes.

Living:

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Fordim Hedgethistle
Holbytlass
Kuruharan
Oddwen
Shelob
The Only Real Estel

Dead:

Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - mangled by werewolves on NIGHT 1
Evisse the Blue (Seer) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1
the guy who be short (Villager) - decapitated by werewolves on NIGHT 2
Son of Numenor (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 2
the phantom (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Firefoot (Guardian) - drowned in blood by werewolves on NIGHT 4
The Saucepan Man (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 4
mormegil (Villager) - sacrified on the kirk by werewolves on NIGHT 5

Score:

Werewolves: 3
Villagers: 4

DAY 5 has started, now that it is 3:30 PM GMT (that's 10:30 AM EST) and (9:30 AM Central). It will end in 24 hours or sooner if a majority vote is reached by then.

Kuruharan · 06-11-2005, 08:33 AM

Oh well. Like I said, play enough and you’ll be spectacularly wrong eventually. I will now take the howls of derision that are my due. I probably deserve being lynched for being that wrong.

(I hope the werewolves are enjoying this. I personally haven’t been able to stop laughing about it since yesterday. The reason why will probably become more apparent at the end, although people will probably think I have a strange sense of humor.)

Fordim Hedgethistle · 06-11-2005, 12:45 PM

More evidence...

On DAY 2 Shelob voted for Sauce and Holby voted for TP

On DAY 3 Holby voted for Sauce and Shelob voted for TP

What better way to make sure that the loudmouths keep going at one another than by splitting their votes and then switching them around the next DAY to avoid looking as though they have a vandetta?

For the record: on DAY 1 they both cast meaningless votes (Holby for Az) and Shelob for an already doomed Evisse. The only time they have ever voted together was to lynch Sauce when it was clear to everyone that it was going to come down to a vote between our beloved brewer and their wolfish ally or innocent dupe Kuru.

Foolish wolves, you should have killed me when you had the chance. Poor morm though....

By the way, I think that you have hit the nail right on the head with your reasoning about why morm was the target TORE

The Only Real Estel · 06-11-2005, 01:50 PM

You obviously have some good points in there Fordim. But I can't help but go back to my two theories of either Spm, phantom, & SoN or SpM, Fordim, & SoN. Of the first one, all of the ones in question were actually innocent, though I came to the conclusion that phantom was most likely innocent and did not vote for him. Of the second one, at least two are innocent, maybe three. I put a great deal of thought behind both of these, and had more than enough evidence (I thought), but neither of them have proved even close to right. So we have to be very careful with who we vote for this time, we can ill afford to lynch someone because we think we have enough evidence. How we can be sure that we have enough evidence I'm not exactly sure, but it is vital to be sure this time.

Originally posted by Fordim:

Quote:

By the way, I think that you have hit the nail right on the head with your reasoning about why morm was the target TORE

And perhaps they were trying to implicate me as well with one swoop, given that I was #2 on mormegil's list in post #292 (page 8). It is unfortunate for me that mormegil never explained my position on his list like I asked him to, I was entirely confident that I could provide satisfactory reasons for anything that was bothering him, but since he never explained as I invited him to we'll never know why he suspected me - & I'll never have a chance to give my reasons either. But I think that since he never mentioned me again & ended up voting for Sauce (who was #6 on his list) he most likely changed his suspect list around a good deal & just didn't post it.

I suppose I am going to have to trust Fordim with the fate of the village. I am not sure of his innocene, but I am more sure of it than I am of others. Add to that that both Saucey & morm seemed sure of it (to name a few), I am going to go ahead & trust him unless I find his reasoning suspect. I think those who would truly like to see the wolves defeated should do the same.

Originally posted by Fordim:

Quote:

Foolish wolves, you should have killed me when you had the chance. Poor morm though....

This is something that still makes me leery of you. Why would any wolf leave you alive for this long? Last night I thought for sure that if you were innocent you would not survive the night, & yet here you are...I wonder.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 06-11-2005, 02:10 PM

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Why would any wolf leave you alive for this long?

Because I voted for Kuru on DAY one and have never believed in much or any of what he said. AND I was the first to posit and outline the "quiet wolf" theory AND I voted for Holby yesterday.

If I had been killed in the night and proven innocent, would you have any doubt of who the wolves were??

or

You are a wolf and I have fallen for your ploys making me your perfect patsy. I find this hard to believe simply because the only allies I can see existing with either you or Kuru are the quiet wolves I've now implicated.

or

on a very outside chance, TORE and Kuru are both wolves, and I have selected an innocent quiet wolf to go after (Holby). This is very hard to believe given my interpretation of the evidence above, and the voting records of each. Still, it's a possibility...if only an extremely remote one.

Azaelia of Willowbottom · 06-11-2005, 02:27 PM

Well...what a sad predicament we are in. If we don't play it right, this is our last day as a village. If we lynch an innocent now, the wolves will win. I have voted wrong every single time.

At this point, I will tentatively agree with Fordim. What he's saying makes sense...
but TORE makes a good point, too: what wolf would leave him alive this long?
It's too early at this point for me to formulate a complete opinion.

And I have to apologize for my absence yesterDAY. I was off visiting relatives in a nearby village. I barely had a moment to myself all day long. So I was unable to make it here. I'm very sorry.

Kuruharan · 06-11-2005, 05:13 PM

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Because I voted for Kuru on DAY one

-Fordim post #332

It depends on what you mean by “voted for me.”

Quote:

That having been said, I am going to cast my vote against

++SaucepanMan

-Fordim post #59

You voted to hang Saucepan Man on DAY ONE. That was before I started arguing against him. That makes it kind of hard to figure out what you mean by “voted for me” because you did not vote with me or against me that DAY.

06-10-2005, 07:49 AM	#1
Shelob Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At the abysmal Abyss Mall. Posts: 276	I'm still caught fairly evenly between Kuru and Saucepan Man...however one thing caught my eye: "You are either lying or misrepresenting what I've been saying" ~Kuru It was for this reason (though with Saucepan Man misrepresenting me, not Kuru) that led me to vote for Saucepan Man on day 2.... I still feel strongly that Kuru is a werewolf...but the only argument against him is one based on strategy...Saucepan Man has a few stronger points against him. >his arguments are very fine tuned (as I've described in an above post) >He has three times now (twice with me and once with Kuru) been accused of misrepresenting the views/opinions of other players...If I had been accused of such I would be far more careful to insure that no one could make that accusation again...as I said before misrepresentation can only lead to confusion and, eventually, a win for the werewolves... For such reasons I feel it to be in our best interest that I vote ++THE SAUCEPAN MAN ...though part of me still screams against it... __________________ A signature always reveals a man's character - and sometimes even his name ~Evan Esar. Pan for Everyone!

06-10-2005, 08:27 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That's ok, I am not going to adhere to the Barrow-wight's 'to the minute' tyranny! It's not like Saucy needed another vote but.....o well. I'll post a new lynching scene momentarily. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-11-2005, 08:33 AM	#7
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Oh well. Like I said, play enough and you’ll be spectacularly wrong eventually. I will now take the howls of derision that are my due. I probably deserve being lynched for being that wrong. (I hope the werewolves are enjoying this. I personally haven’t been able to stop laughing about it since yesterday. The reason why will probably become more apparent at the end, although people will probably think I have a strange sense of humor.) __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-11-2005, 02:27 PM	#11
Azaelia of Willowbottom Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: By the Sea Posts: 446	Well...what a sad predicament we are in. If we don't play it right, this is our last day as a village. If we lynch an innocent now, the wolves will win. I have voted wrong every single time. At this point, I will tentatively agree with Fordim. What he's saying makes sense... but TORE makes a good point, too: what wolf would leave him alive this long? It's too early at this point for me to formulate a complete opinion. And I have to apologize for my absence yesterDAY. I was off visiting relatives in a nearby village. I barely had a moment to myself all day long. So I was unable to make it here. I'm very sorry. __________________ "Wherever I have been, I am back."

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06-10-2005, 08:23 AM	#3
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Um...oops, my vote would go towards ++Saucepan Man, then. edit: I guess I was looking at the post time for phantom's lynching scene & not the post time for when we discovered Firefoot's end, sorry about that I had planned on going into a little more detail than just posting a vote, but I guess that'll have to wait until DAY Last edited by The Only Real Estel; 06-10-2005 at 08:36 AM.

06-10-2005, 08:44 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Another horrible death......think of the children! And so The Saucepan Man was to be put to death. The villagers had decided that they'd take their chances and kill the brewer, rather than ensure a steady supply of ale. Tough choices indeed in these evil times. Saucepan Man himself was not exactly the opposite of merry: he had been drinking much special brew these past few days, knowing full well that his fellows would kill him sooner or later. He had enjoyed his last hours as much as possible, but it was yet nagging him that the people were so hell-bent on killing one who had served them so well. Alas! he stumbled to the gallows. Some villagers jeered at him; others stood in silence not at all convinced that this friendly man was a malevolent threat to them. The ceremony went very quickly, smoothly and efficiently; the villagers were well-practised in the art of hanging. And as The Saucepan Man fell and his neck broke, it became apparent that that was not the villagers' speciality; no doubt, the villagers' field of mastery was the art of voting for completely innocent people to be murdered. The wolves in the crowd could barely contain themselves from bursting into laughter. Living: Azaelia of Willowbottom Fordim Hedgethistle Holbytlass Kuruharan mormegil Oddwen Shelob The Only Real Estel Dead: Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - mangled by werewolves on NIGHT 1 Evisse the Blue (Seer) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1 the guy who be short (Villager) - decapitated by werewolves on NIGHT 2 Son of Numenor (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 2 the phantom (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 3 Firefoot (Guardian) - drowned in blood by werewolves on NIGHT 4 The Saucepan Man (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 4 Score: Werewolves: 3 Villagers: 5 NIGHT 5 has begun, now that it is around 3:45 PM GMT (that's 10:45 AM EST) and 9:45 AM Central). It will end in 24 hours, or sooner if all night-time activity is reported to me by then. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-11-2005, 08:30 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	To say the morale of Storyland was at an all-time low would be......entirely correct. The village was pretty much bathing in misery. Whither now could they turn to for guidance? Early in the morning, a scream disturbed the sleepers. They rushed out to see what had happened, and what they saw was one of their fellows weeping on the ground outside the kirk. Inconsolable, all the poor thing could do was point upwards. The friends looked.......and saw the cleric mormegil skewered on the spire, away up in the sky; and the blood was dripping down on the walls of the kirk. The villagers knew that they had used up all of their mistakes. Living: Azaelia of Willowbottom Fordim Hedgethistle Holbytlass Kuruharan Oddwen Shelob The Only Real Estel Dead: Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - mangled by werewolves on NIGHT 1 Evisse the Blue (Seer) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1 the guy who be short (Villager) - decapitated by werewolves on NIGHT 2 Son of Numenor (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 2 the phantom (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 3 Firefoot (Guardian) - drowned in blood by werewolves on NIGHT 4 The Saucepan Man (Villager) - lynched by villagers on DAY 4 mormegil (Villager) - sacrified on the kirk by werewolves on NIGHT 5 Score: Werewolves: 3 Villagers: 4 DAY 5 has started, now that it is 3:30 PM GMT (that's 10:30 AM EST) and (9:30 AM Central). It will end in 24 hours or sooner if a majority vote is reached by then. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-11-2005, 12:45 PM	#8
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	More evidence... On DAY 2 Shelob voted for Sauce and Holby voted for TP On DAY 3 Holby voted for Sauce and Shelob voted for TP What better way to make sure that the loudmouths keep going at one another than by splitting their votes and then switching them around the next DAY to avoid looking as though they have a vandetta? For the record: on DAY 1 they both cast meaningless votes (Holby for Az) and Shelob for an already doomed Evisse. The only time they have ever voted together was to lynch Sauce when it was clear to everyone that it was going to come down to a vote between our beloved brewer and their wolfish ally or innocent dupe Kuru. Foolish wolves, you should have killed me when you had the chance. Poor morm though.... By the way, I think that you have hit the nail right on the head with your reasoning about why morm was the target TORE