Tol-in-Gaurhoth IV (The Saga, erm, Still Continues...) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 06-21-2005, 01:26 PM

Why would you put your words into verse
when you can speak frankly, simple, and terse?
This is not the place for artistic expression,
we have wolves to catch, this is not a poetry session!
Poetry is at best an annoyance,
to glean from it meaning requires clairvoyance
What I'm trying to say should be terribly clear-
we do not want you silly poems here!

the phantom · 06-21-2005, 01:41 PM

Fea, you're going to get yourself lynched.

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Our gifted villagers are a perk, nothing more. They are just as expendable as anyone else.

An absurd statement.

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So what if the Seer dies?

The most absurd statement I've ever seen.

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Though we may mourn the loss of our gifted members, their deaths will not be as severely detrimental as intentionally killing people that we know aren't werewolves!

Wrong. The numbers are against you. Removing wolves and gifted villagers from the lynch pool is a statistical advantage at this stage in the game. If you add them to the lynch pool, the chances of killing a gifted villager are greater than killing a wolf, therefore it is a statistical advantage for the wolves in that it would increase the chances of their primary foes being killed.

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I see it only as saying "Well, we know for certain that you are innocent, so we'll kill you, instead of the sketchy looking guy over there."

What "sketchy looking guy"? Where is he? Can anyone point him out?

No.

Everyone will look equally sketchy to innocents because innocents know nothing. As a matter of fact, it is likely that the wolves will purposefully behave in such a way that they appear to be the LEAST SKETCHY. Duh.

At this point I am almost willing to abandon my plan and lynch Fea just for being extremely silly.

I mean, honestly Fea! You said "So what if the seer dies?"! Who says stuff like that? You, Fea, are definitely the most "sketchy" looking person thus far. If you are a gifted villager I would recommend that you quit acting like this, because it's going to get you lynched.

Unless, of course, Fea is acting like this on purpose knowing she will get lynched?

Perhaps she is sacrificing herself and agrees with my plan after all?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-21-2005, 01:49 PM

Kath - I'm watching you.

The joke had passed yet you felt the need to bring my name up again? Hoom hroom indeed.

This is exactly the fallacious reasoning I was talking about. lmp was clearly joking; I don't think you were.

If innocent then you should realise this and post it. You cannot suggest me on such evidence; we need hard evidence.

Like the malevolent glint in Lalaith's eye.

Let her speak!

phantom, you posted that 'joke' earlier, which suggested hostility at lmp. Such a strange post, as it added nothing to the discussion. So unlike such a wise man as yourself. Tell me, what was the purpose of this? Now is not the time for jokes: an innocent man died last night!!!

As for your hostility towards Fea: it's completely justified. She's mad, I tells ye. String her up!

Firefoot · 06-21-2005, 02:01 PM

Phantom has called Fea's statements absurd (and I rather agree with that), but wouldn't they also be absurd things for a werewolf to say? What kind of idiot werewolf would say something so very incriminating? Especially this early when we have naught but virtually blind accusations to go by?

Unless, of course, she made a mistake, and I won't discount that possibility.

But I'd like to hear from some more people before making any serious accusations.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-21-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

What "sketchy looking guy"? Where is he? Can anyone point him out?

*points to the guy that's trying his best to knowingly kill innocent people and make it look like he's doing it for their own good*

How is it that I am making myself look guilty by trying to make people see that killing off people that we know are innocent will not help us in the long run? Isn't it better to take a chance and maybe kill a werewolf, instead of give up all hope at this stage of the proceedings and immediately start killing off the good guys?

How is it that people are agreeing with the phantom's hair-brained "let's just get volunteers to die" idea? The idea is that we don't want innocent people to die! It doesn't matter if the person is a seer or if the person is an identity-less villager, that person is still innocent, and we aren't supposed to be killing the good guys!

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As a matter of fact, it is likely that the wolves will purposefully behave in such a way that they appear to be the LEAST SKETCHY. Duh.

Unless they are playing us with a mult-layered bluff, dullard. Where is the best place to hide? Out in the open.

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Perhaps she is sacrificing herself and agrees with my plan after all?

God, tp, what part of "This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard" don't you understand?

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At this point I am almost willing to abandon my plan and lynch Fea just for being extremely silly.

And at this point, I'm almost entirely willing to lynch the phantom, just because he's so insistant that we kill innocent villagers on purpose. What kind of innocent person does that?

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As for your hostility towards Fea: it's completely justified. She's mad, I tells ye. String her up!

Either you're both insane, or you're both werewolves. Quite honestly, I hope you both die, just because it would make me feel better. Tell me how it's justifiable to be hostile toward somebody who is trying to keep her village from making a terrible (and really stupid) mistake?

Push my buttons more, tp, Eomer, and I'm going to start a campaign against you. What in the world has happened when logic means killing innocent people while werewolves run free?

Celuien · 06-21-2005, 02:09 PM

Volunteers for lynching???

That's one line that won't be too long.

Something else that's occured to me with this plan is that once someone volunteers, they've effectively given the biggest "Look - I'm an innocent" sign that they could possibly put forward. I don't know about the rest of the village, but I would be very hesitant to lynch a volunteer. And that could provide cover for the wolves if they see it as a way to declare innocence and also see a low probability of the rest of the town taking up the offer. Furthermore, if we follow through on lynching volunteers, an innocent does volunteer every day, and then is lynched every day, it just depletes the population of villagers and keeps us from lynching a real wolf.

Féa's saying that gifted villagers are expendable doesn't quite sit well with me. It's not enough to raise my suspicions with any certainty though...

06-21-2005, 01:26 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Why would you put your words into verse when you can speak frankly, simple, and terse? This is not the place for artistic expression, we have wolves to catch, this is not a poetry session! Poetry is at best an annoyance, to glean from it meaning requires clairvoyance What I'm trying to say should be terribly clear- we do not want you silly poems here! __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-21-2005, 01:49 PM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Kath - I'm watching you. The joke had passed yet you felt the need to bring my name up again? Hoom hroom indeed. This is exactly the fallacious reasoning I was talking about. lmp was clearly joking; I don't think you were. If innocent then you should realise this and post it. You cannot suggest me on such evidence; we need hard evidence. Like the malevolent glint in Lalaith's eye. Let her speak! phantom, you posted that 'joke' earlier, which suggested hostility at lmp. Such a strange post, as it added nothing to the discussion. So unlike such a wise man as yourself. Tell me, what was the purpose of this? Now is not the time for jokes: an innocent man died last night!!! As for your hostility towards Fea: it's completely justified. She's mad, I tells ye. String her up! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-21-2005, 02:01 PM	#4
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Fea... guilty, or not? Phantom has called Fea's statements absurd (and I rather agree with that), but wouldn't they also be absurd things for a werewolf to say? What kind of idiot werewolf would say something so very incriminating? Especially this early when we have naught but virtually blind accusations to go by? Unless, of course, she made a mistake, and I won't discount that possibility. But I'd like to hear from some more people before making any serious accusations.

06-21-2005, 02:09 PM	#6
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Volunteers for lynching??? That's one line that won't be too long. Something else that's occured to me with this plan is that once someone volunteers, they've effectively given the biggest "Look - I'm an innocent" sign that they could possibly put forward. I don't know about the rest of the village, but I would be very hesitant to lynch a volunteer. And that could provide cover for the wolves if they see it as a way to declare innocence and also see a low probability of the rest of the town taking up the offer. Furthermore, if we follow through on lynching volunteers, an innocent does volunteer every day, and then is lynched every day, it just depletes the population of villagers and keeps us from lynching a real wolf. Féa's saying that gifted villagers are expendable doesn't quite sit well with me. It's not enough to raise my suspicions with any certainty though... __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

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