The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[Gil-Galad]

now that i think about it, theres only 5 hours left, and i have to vote because i'm going to be gone for the next 5-6 hours or so...


now i have to think... i shall reply shortly...

[Gil-Galad]

i have reached my decison

++Holbytlass

no hard feelings my dear, you know that

[the guy who be short]

An explanation would be nice, if you haven't scurried off already.

Please also remember, 5 hours is plenty of time to decide. Do not vote rashly, or we will have the blood of innocents on our hands. There is time for debate yet.

[Gil-Galad]

5 hours is plenty, but i shall be away for those 5 hours

Why i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...

[Holbytlass]

I'm back and I see that I already have a vote against me and more are leaning towards me. Please, sirs and misses, wait for my defence against Gil-Galad's accusation and vote. I assure I will give you something to think about.

[Holbytlass]

[QUOTE=Gil-GaladWhy i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...[/QUOTE]

I am innocent and I'm sorry if I come of as 'TOO' innocent. Firefoot, I suppose I am guilty about responding to everything that has my name attached, but of nothing else.

But, Gil-Galad's statement that I'm adding to everyone's accusations are ridiculous! Either he is not researching properly or he has his posts running backwards.

In posts 6 and 13, I name TGWBS, Mormegil, Firefoot, and Gil-Galad (even if it is not out-right finger pointing)
In post 14, Mormegil follows my lead against Gil-Galad on his guilty conscience of paying for a funeral.
In Post 17, Feanor adds on to Mormegil's replies to my post about Gil-Galad's guilty conscience.

In my post (23) I point out how I have hit a nerve with Mormegil in "knowing all too well'.
In post 24 Kittana adds to it about I learning something dangerous.
In post 25, Gil-Galad himself has added to Kittana's replies (to my reply) and than calls Mormegil a witch!

I am not hiding I, I am not adding on but rather people (and GilGalad) are adding to my observations. Which I don't mind, but it makes me wonder why Gil-Galad got it backwards!!

[Firefoot]

Well, I would have liked to see what TGWBS came up with (and if he posts it soon I still may see it, I suppose). But I find my own time running short.

I'm going to take Holbytlass at her word for now. My vote is for ++Orominuialwen, for reasons, such as they are, listed above.

[the guy who be short]

I will now declare my thoughts. Night is not yet upon us, but many of you have actual lives, so I hope to give you something to think about.

First, let us consider mormegil. He voted for Kath. He picked up what seemed like a Kath-Galad alliance (I did too). However, a few things stand out that make him seem guilty.
He claimed Kath was "quiet" and hiding without conidering that she could be asleep, taking into account time differences. Perhaps an honest slip.
He didn't take into account that the Kath-Galad alliance could be a Hunter/Guardian relationship. I feel no fear in saying this, as it already seemed obvious enough as a possibility.
This makes me slightly suspicious of him. I may vote for him yet.

Gil-Galad is in league with Kath. I feel I am most likely to vote G-G, and if he is guilty, lynch Kath.
The "paying for Mith's funeral comment" could have been a Freudian Slip.

Originally Posted by GG

Holy Twiddly-winks people! we shouldn't be going around accusing and defending ourself, we must all come together and figure this out, us spreading out in this strange time is not needed

What? It isn't? He wants us to choose one person and bandwagon rather than considering all options? We have to spread for a greater chance of finding the guilty.
He jumped on mormegil with the rest of the group and shows continued bitterness. The jumping part seems wolvish, but the morm-part could mean anything. They could be wolves together, or he could be trying to get morm killed as he knows he's an innocent. Note how he adds strength to the lynch-morm campaign, but votes Holbytlass.
Also, his Holbytlass vote made no sense, as she herself pointed out. There are many who fit the bill better than her.

Why i chose Holbytlass, well she seems innocent...too innocent, shes keeping calm about this, and not using her voice, shes trying to hide something and stay out of peoples way, randomly coming up and adding on to somebody's accusation...makes me wonder...

As Holbytlass, pointed out, she doesn't even fit this properly. In fact, this accusation makes me believe Holbytlass to be innocent, the only person I am reasonably sure of, other than myself and somebody else who I won't name.
Kath - a puzzle. Accuses morm and Gil. Why? Is G-G simply tying himself to her? Is she casting accusation on her fellows to avoid association with them?These are the three I am most concerned about. Less guilty seeming people shall follow later.

[Firefoot]

Well, I've got about an hour to an hour and a half before I'll be off (like Morm said, 4th of July and all that).

Right now I'm leaning towards Holbytlass, Gil (though I highly doubt both of them are wolves, just one of them), possibly Oro.

Holbytlass - is very definite: "I am definite nothing of the lupine persuasion." and "the only thing I like on the dark side is chocolate." I'm not sure why this makes me suspicious, but it does. Villagers shouldn't need to respond to every time someone points out their name. Holbytlass seems to act like she has something to prove. (Nothing definite here, but at this point there is nothing definite.)

Gil - I can't figure out if he is a wolf or if that is just the way he is (or both). But he took up the "Kill Morm!" cry very quickly and eagerly (though now he's voted for Holbytlass. Maybe he and Morm are in cahoots? Both act suspicious of each other and then vote otherwise. Hm...).

Oro - is taking the wounded innocent approach. "Me? Of course it's not little old me. You have absolutely no reason to vote for me." Etc. That raises my suspicion quicker than just about anything else.

So right now it looks like I will be voting for one of those three. Time will tell.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Gil - I can't figure out if he is a wolf or if that is just the way he is (or both). But he took up the "Kill Morm!" cry very quickly and eagerly (though now he's voted for Holbytlass. Maybe he and Morm are in cahoots? Both act suspicious of each other and then vote otherwise. Hm...)

I find that quite interesting. It seemed Kath had been there to defend Gil, which would mean Gil and Kath are working together and it seemed Morm and Gil were together by the way they voted. However Morm voted for Kath who seemed to ally herself with Gil. So either Morm and Gil are working together and Morm wants to get rid of Kath or Gil and Kath are working together and Morm wants to break them up before they cause more trouble.
Those three are highest on my list. I'll return later with a vote.

[Kath]

Kath - a puzzle. Accuses morm and Gil. Why? Is G-G simply tying himself to her? Is she casting accusation on her fellows to avoid association with them?These are the three I am most concerned about. Less guilty seeming people shall follow later.

Somehow I have garnered wrongful suspicion but I've already tried to show my innocence and I'll leave it at that.

What I did want to comment on was a theory that has been floating around all day and was most explicitly said by TGWBS:

Gil-Galad is in league with Kath.

This ladies and gentlemen is simply not true. The comment that has everyone forming this opinion was this:

I find myself strangely suspicious of Mormegil for continuing with the questioning of Gil

Now this, in my mind at least, did not mean that I was siding with Gil, rather that Mormegil's jumping on the 'let's accuse Gil' bandwagon seemed somewhat odd to me, though this could be because I never saw the comment as threatening and thought that one comment on it was enough.

I am not in league, working, communicating or in cahoots with Gil-Galad whether for the purpose of good or evil.

[the guy who be short]

Kitanna - If my ideas are wrong, she's potentially a wolf for leaping on them so early. At the moment, I like her 'cos she agrees with me.

Orominuialwen - One post. No accusations. No defences. Nothing. Bears watching as somebody flying under the radar.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Likewise, one meaningless post. Watch him closely.

Oddwen - I'm not suspicious of her yet. However, a few posts back, she made a list of people and notes about them. If she is a wolf, we should go back and see who she left off, as she could be diverting attention away from them.

durelin -

Only the guilty mind would feel the need to immediately lash out with brash words.

Brash words breed brash responses, of which knowledge can be gained. His only post contains that tomfoolery within it. Note also, only one post - under the radar, anybody? I am most suspicious of him after The Big Three, though perhaps this is only a knee-jerk reaction.

I have little to say about the others. I believe Holbytlass and Feanor of the Peredhil to be the most innocent.

[the guy who be short]

An addition which I believe deserves its own post rather than an edit.

Originally Posted by Kath

I am not in league, working, communicating or in cahoots with Gil-Galad whether for the purpose of good or evil.

She doesn't respond to the idea that she could be in league with mormegil.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'll keep this short[ish], since I also have a national holiday to attend to.

Gil-galad has been moving up my list of suspects all day. I can see where he would accuse Morm, but to this degree? It's our first day... nobody knows anything... except the wolves. Might he be trying to solidify our suspicions against an innocent? I don't really know. But I do know that he changed his mind out of nowhere, launching his anti-morm campaign, and then voting for someone else entirely that he hadn't even mentioned yet (I think... don't quote me on that, because I'm in a hurry).

Pretty much to avoid restating everything TGWBS said, I'll just say that I agree with his [TGWBS] reasoning. Gil is just... bloodthirsty. I mean... I know I seem that way also... but when I see someone else as blatantly obvious about accusing random people, it makes me nervous. Not everybody has my good intentions. Unless he's adopted an "observation by agitation" method that I usually use in these cases.

Also high on my list is Oro. She's so... quiet. I understand that we all have constraints on our posting, but still... it's unsettling to see someone being so subtle.

I am certainly curious to discover the reasoning behind your blind and seemingly pointless accusation of me.

The reasoning is this: I selected everyone who hadn't posted yet, and accused them of being a wolf. Read from it what you want, but it was a joke. Your response was really inadequate though. Honestly, I've got no idea what you were talking about, but entertaining dukes is sketchy at best.

Since I can't guarantee I'll be back before the day is up (do I smell breakfast? and then ooh, shower! followed by likely Independence Day picnic) I have to vote now. If I come back and am duly impressed by his defense of himself, I may change it, but for now, the most suspicious on my list is ++GIL-GALAD. I can't get over his quick-change. But Gil, if you change my mind, Oro's head shall be in the noose instead.

[Holbytlass]

Time is ticking and a National Holiday to attend.
It may sound like a knee-jerk but the evidence (that we do have) against Gil-Galad that TGWBS and Feanor has pointed out gives credit to the gut feelings I've been having about him. And, of course, his reasoning behind his vote for me is shoddy at best.

++GIL-GALAD