The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Mormegil,

I suggest explaining yourself. Now. Though I doubt it will change my mind about the fact that you're a sneaky, vicious, bloody WOLF.

[Firefoot]

++Mormegil

I was coming to some of the same conclusions as TGWBS even as he posted them. I don't think there can be a lot of doubt...

[Holbytlass]

Okay, now to explain myself....

I was fine with Kittana getting it at first, I voted for her early on.
But Mormegil has been nagging in the back of my mind since day one, but how can I doubt him when he and I had ideas along the same line. When I got a quick look I saw her and I were pretty close, than I saw TGWBS's plan. And for some reason it clicked. I didn't have time to get evidence against Morm but I knew I could save Kittana by voting myself, better a regular villager than a maybe gifted villager. I'm sorry that stupid wording of mine made a couple people change their votes.

++MORMEGIL

[Firefoot]

(Note: this is based on Mormegil's guilt, which remains to be officially proven.)

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm. This is one of two things: a) a wolvish slip or b) innocent confusion and genuine desire to only lynch innocents. I do wonder if his accusations of Morm are a huge bluff - point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself. Then there is Kitanna's comment to wonder about - did she dream about him, or was it just suspicion? If - this is a big if - TGWBS was a wolf, he would be playing an extremely tenuous bluffing game, but I have little doubt that he could pull it off.

I just wanted to put this out there, since the day seems likely to be a short one and in case I should be mauled tonight. I have no idea how much truth is in this; he may be an innocent and a very helpful one at that. I couldn't tell you.

Edit - one more point I left off. TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If - this is a big if - TGWBS was a wolf, he would be playing an extremely tenuous bluffing game, but I have little doubt that he could pull it off.

You have no idea how hard I would kick myself if it were true that the other wolves were the first accusers. We've all been wondering which voting place is most suspicious (I had it pegged as second, since you can't be called on for "starting" the vote, nor can you really be called for bandwagoning), but wouldn't it be a huge slap in the face if it was staring at us the whole time?

However... I'm still not sure about TGWBS. He makes me nervous, but no more nervous than Holby. I was certain that she's Huntress, and yet she denies it. It could be a simple bluff to try and divert the wolves' attention, it could be a wolf messing with us, or she could just be a simple villager and I'm dead wrong. I think they are both forces to be reckoned with, but at the same time, I think that the wolves should be the ones worried, not the villagers.

I also much register concern over Gil-Galad the Thunder Mistress and Adam/Nilp. Nilp is in a far different time zone, so it's fairly late at night for him, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt we'll see him today. But I would hate it if he were a wolf hiding behind geography. Gil, on the other hand, is around, but never posts as long-windedly as the rest of us. Gil, what are your suspicions?

Kath... I'm very worried about Kath right now. If Mormegil is the wolf that I think he is, we've got a very high chance of her being another, or a mytho. At the same time... why would two wolves go out of their way to accuse each other on day one?

Oro is relatively quiet... I don't think she's guilty, but I won't rule it out. She seems so sincere that either she's actually that sincere, or she just wants us to believe she is.

Firefoot... Now here's a dilemma. I believe just about every word she says, and that makes me nervous. I'm usually so careful to be cynically aloof, and yet she makes a lot of sense. If she's right, than TGWBS needs to be watched... very closely.

I don't know what to think any more. The only thing I really feel strongly about right now is Mormegil, and that he's our biggest threat. After him, it's probably Kath, but it's so disturbing what Footie said that I'm really suspicious of TGWBS now...

[mormegil]

In post 87 Kitanna admits openly that her suspicions of me are mere speculation. She states that it’s nothing concrete so she obviously didn’t dream about me.

Post 95 Kitanna admits she is a moron. I don’t believe her to be such but apparently she lacks confidence in herself and her ideas. In the same thread she admitted that she had Gil-Galad pegged down as guilty which we know isn’t true. Point is the seer is not infallible and just because she suspects somebody doesn’t make them a wolf.

In post 118 she knew she was probably going to die and how did she word her decision to vote for me? “I’m going to stick my foot further in my mouth”. That to me doesn’t sound like somebody who is sure of herself. The only reason she gave to vote for me is because I gave Gil the benefit of the doubt and my suspicions of Kath have been put on the back burner due to others who I find more suspicious now. My defense for why I voted Kath and not Gil I have previously explained in post 121 . Many others have changed their minds on who to vote for. I wrote off Gil’s behavior to an overzealous innocent with a general lack of experience. I was correct many others weren’t. If deducing innocence and guilt is a cause for suspicion we may as well roll over and die and let the wolves take over.

As far as my vote for Kath and lowering my suspicions of her I have explained that briefly but will do so in a bit more detail. When yesterday started I kept my eye on her and waited to see what she would do. Then I found some rather large areas of suspicion in Durelin and others. Shortly after some suspicious behavior was pointed out by Fea regarding Holbytlass. Now as TGWBS and I discussed consensus was important at this stage. Holbytlass had garnered some votes so I felt more confident in voting for her than Durelin, hoping that other might change their votes. I was still under the impression, until TGWBS pointed it out otherwise, that we needed a overall majority of 6 to ensure the lynching. Again I found Holbytlass and Durelin more suspicious than Kitanna and I was correct again in presuming innocence. Would that others had followed my lead and not lynched Kitanna. Holbytlass whether innocent or guilty is not as important to us as our precious seer is. Firefoot and Fea were rather Fickle in the matter and should be examined closely.

It is puzzling to me that after TGWBS put out a plan to protect the seer Kitanna didn’t openly proclaim herself. Would we have believed her? I’m not sure, but if I were the seer and knew that I was heading for the gallows I would say with no room for doubt that I dreamt of so and so and he/she is guilty or innocent. She did neither. But merely suggested that she didn’t have a good feeling about me. If that alone isn’t enough evidence not to lynch me automatically then please read carefully

I’m not saying don’t kill me today but don’t make it a rash decision based on inconclusive evidence from our seer. Look back at my actions and decide for yourself if they are suspicious or if I have been a contributing member to out village. I do not make it a habit to defend myself with great zeal but I found it necessary to prepare this during NIGHT so that I could have it ready at the start of the day, knowing that the wolves won’t want such an easy target out of the way for today’s lynchings.

Now I see that TGWBS is saying this

Now, on to other things.
In her last post, strangely, Kitanna accuses me. Fea says we should keep me around, to which Kitanna replies:
Quote:

. However, I say this was pure speculation. She saw me as the ringleader in killing G-G1, which I was, and the ringleader in accusing her and durelin, which I was. She therefore thought I was a wolf.
I think Kitanna dreamt of durelin on night one, which is how she came to this conclusion.
In any case, Kitanna did not, unfortunately, explicitly defend anybody, so we have no known innocets

I can see that he also see that perhaps what was said by Kitanna is true speculation. Look at him closely too please.

I'm also surprised at how willing everybody is to kill me without so much as hearing anything I have to say. Wolfish behavior is afoot here.

[Firefoot]

I'm so confused...

The only person I feel any reasonable degree of confidence about right now is Fea. (Heh, she's probably a wolf now that I've said that. )

On Day 1, Morm is right that Kitanna admits to her accusations of him being speculations (I had missed that, even though I was looking for it). So, what of Day 2? If Kitanna was so suspicious of him, did she dream about him?

It seems to me that Kitanna did not, unfortunatly, come online once she gave her last post (and vote), and so did not find out about TGWBS's plan.

There are four people that I have said nothing of today: Gil, Nilp, Kath, and Oro. I am probably most inclined to think that Kath is a wolf; however, if Kath was a wolf, I doubt Morm is, unless a) they're playing at a bluffing game, or b) Kath was the mytho and turned wolf. And, oddly enough, Morm and Kath are quite suspicious of each other on Day 1, but then... basically nothing. TGWBS accuses Kath on Day 1, then defends her on Day 2.

Also interesting is that both Morm and Kath went onto TGWBS's "probably innocent" list (bottom Page 2).

I'd like to hear from TGWBS... I'm becoming ever more convinced that he may be a wolf, even though his analyses mostly make sense. I'm also starting to become convinced that Kath is our mytho...

[the guy who be short]

Firefoot, I am a fickle person. My theories can change with a single post.

The reason I madea huge about-turn on Day 2 was the death of Oddwen. It seemed to me that the wolves were killing a quiet villager so as not to affect how the village was thinking. This meant the village was thinking wrong, and were accusing innocents. The people we accused most on Day 1, after G-G, were Kath and morm, thus their falling to the ranks of "innocent".

However, top of page 4, (same day, but some time later; he could have changed his mind, I suppose), Morm is on the top of his list for lynching the next day.

I can't find this post. Please link, or tell us the post number.

[Firefoot]

Oh, talk about confusion. It doesn't say what I thought it said after all. I was referencing this:

Mormegil: durelin does indeed look suspicious, and unless something changes, I for one will be pushing for her lynching tomorrow.

I missed the word "Durelin" and misread "her" for "his." I thought you were talking about Morm, not to him. Well, that eases my mind at least a bit.

Sorry about that.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Oh, talk about confusion. It doesn't say what I thought it said after all. I was referencing this: I missed the word "Durelin" and misread "her" for "his." I thought you were talking about Morm, not to him. Well, that eases my mind at least a bit.

Sorry about that.

I'm rather confused as to what this means?

[the guy who be short]

An analysis of mormegil's posts. These will be divided into:

1) posts pointing to morm's guilt
2) posts where morm defends others who could be wolves
3) posts where morm accuses others who could be innocent

Posts pointing to his guilt:

Agreed Mr Gil-man.Do you feel a twinge of guilt upon that canine conscience of yours?

As soon as Holbytlass accuses G-G, morm jumps in. However, I also did the same.

Kitanna... most likely guilty

Durelin... probable wolf...Currently I would rather vote for Durelin as I mentioned earlier.

Posts defending others:

Now Durelin you are wise in your discussion here. I see that you have not narrowed you view solely to Firefoot and me.

Firefoot guilty alongside him? I find it hard to believe.

Firefoot... Probably not guilty

Hmmm.
He also defends Fea and Holbytlass. I am actually inclined to believe all 3to be innocent, but this evidence should not be discounted.

Please Gil give us something of substance. We all seem to be getting weary of those who aren't contributing much by way of substance and I'd hate to have my suspicions of you based on that alone. What I'm saying is that I don't find you suspicious because you haven't said anything yet but that will not last too long if it continues thusly.
As for Nilp/Adam. I understand your problems and all. What I would ask is when you do have that limited time...please post something of substance. You could very well be innocent but without something to base that on I fear that we are assuming guilty

Possibly a warning. "Make sense or they'll lynch you!"

Posts accusing others:

However, you intricate knowledge of people character is a bit disconcerting to me. You seem to know many of us too well for my liking. As if you know who's guilty and who's innocent.

About Holbtylass at the beginning of Day 1. Wolves are unlikely to point t one another so early. This strengthens the Holbytlass-innocence case.

Oro... possibly guilty.

I now think she is most likely innocent.

I see some suspicion in Holby. I will probably vote for either Holby or Kitanna

He later changes his vote to Holby.

From this the only thing I think I really support fully is that Holby is innocent.

[mormegil]

Is anyone else not convinced that the lack of conviction in Kitanna's post meant that she actually didn't dream of me? Seriously I want to point out that you are making a big mistake in rushing into this vote (our most critical yet). Based on an uneasy feeling from our seer. Never once did she proclaim me as unequivocally guilty. If she had dreamt of me and was going to die why wouldn't she do that?

[Kath]

Durelin is dead and the two people that voted againest him were Mormegil and Kath

No Gil2, I voted for Kitanna.

On to today, TGWBS has some seriously good accusations against Morm and after the revelation that Kitanna was in fact the Seer a read back over her posts does show some things in a different light. I find it hard to argue with any of what he (TGWBS) has said but I think it would be fair for us to listen to what Mormegil has to say first. However, if he can't explain himself in a way that makes sense and shows someone else as a wolf with good reasons then I will not hesitate to vote for him.

[the guy who be short]

In this post I shall analyse everything durelin said and attempt to come to a conclusion about the Hunter. I have no fear in doing so, for the wolves will undoubtably study the facts too. If they deduce who the Hunter is, it makes sense for us to do so too, just so we have that one known innocent.

Originally Posted by durelin's first line

What smiles? I mean, my goodness, why would I smile at you, Fea.

This I find fascinating. The first person she mentions if Fea. Could Fea be the Hunter? Certainly she's been the person who has focussed on the Hunter most (claiming it is Holbytlass). I find it very likely.

Both the guy who be short and mormegil were very quick in their responses...it's interesting that they jumped on the case so quickly, while it takes most of us a little longer to get out of bed. Perhaps they did not sleep well last night, due to...*coughs* 'celebrating'?

Note: I later pointed out that my quickness was entirely innocent. However, these accusations tell us that I am not the Hunter, and nor is morm.

Concerning suspicions about Firefoot, she strangely voted for Oro

Strangely. Oro could be the Hunter.
However, later she says of Oro:

Kinda a weak defense, and she has been pretty defensive from the start... Going with the crowd like them could point to guilt or innocence. Depends on how you read it.

So, Oro is probably not the Hunter.

First, let's start with Holbytlass. She's been pretty straightforward in most of her posts, though she's been a little defensive...though really everyone has, I suppose, to varying degrees.

Supports the Fea-idea that Holbytlass is the Hunter.

So...Oro, I, and Holbytlass seem to be getting some suspicion...

A potential defence of Oro and Holbytlass, so one of them could be the Hunter.

She voted Kath. Kath is not the Hunter.

So, this is ambiguous. As it is ambiguous, change of plan, I will not decide on who the Hunter is, as this could help the wolves. However:
mormegil, Kath and I are definitely not the Hunter.

The evidence indicates that Oro or Holbytlass is the Hunter. I now lean to the innocence of both, though I feel I will need to verify this by checking up Oro's posts later. In any case, I would take these two to be likely innocents.

Again, I have no fear of doing this as the wolves will doubtless do the same. I am not going to extrapolate further as the evidence is ambiguous, and thus it will be helpful to leave the Hunter for now unnamed. Certainly the wolves will now fear to kill these two, which I deem a good thing.

Edit: Morm's posts next.

[the guy who be short]

Firstly, and most importantly, I deem, my plan for the Seer to openly declare themself and for the Guardian to protect them. I asked all who found faults to speak, and none did. The plan would have worked. Why would a wolf wantto implement such a plan?

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm.

Light accusing? He was in my top three at one point, with Kath and G-G.
I have given reason for the sudden defence above.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself.

Nope, I fully expected to come under heavy fire today, for my choices do seem wolvish, I'll admit. I fully expect to continue to come under fire. Likely I will be spared to the end, such is the evidence that can be accumulated against me. It is foolish to ask of trust here, so I shall not, but I will attempt to defend myself as fully as possible, now and in the future. We cannot afford to lynch an innocent.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...

As I said, wrong choices in the past meant it would be very easy to look at facts, such as who I wanted to lynch, and use them against me. I knew this would happen (likely started by wolves) and sought to defend myself before it started.

Originally Posted by Fea

You have no idea how hard I would kick myself if it were true that the other wolves were the first accusers.

I was the first accuser of Kitanna and G-G, and accused durelin (the death of which seems to be a set up). For a wolf to lead the charge against an innocent once is understandable, twice is utter stupidity.

That's it. Believe what you want. I shall draw my own conclusions too. At the moment, what is clearest and most obvious is the guilt of mormegil.

Edit:

Originally Posted by mormegil

No need to waste your time on that. Nobody listens. I'll simply vouch for your innocence and lead myself to the gallows.

Thank you. I hope to see the double plus sign followed by your own name soon.

Anyway. I think he's trying to "pull a Holby," to coin a phrase.

[mormegil]

Thank you. I hope to see the double plus sign followed by your own name soon.

Unsure if it's been done but I will take my own life in my own fashion

++MORMEGIL

I have a sword handy I can cast myself upon.

[mormegil]

That's 5 votes for me my fate is sealed.

[the guy who be short]

Wonderful.

Morm, whatever you do, it is painstakingly obvious that you are a wolf. Nothing you do will change that. Sorry. I speak for myself, and hopefully for the rest of us, when I say our votes will not be changing, no matter how dramatic a show you put on.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In order to save our lovely mod some time (and eyesight) here are the final votes:

5/9 go to Mormegil. Voting for him were: Firefoot, Fea, TGWBS, Holby, and Morm himself.

Your martyrdom is touching, though entirely unbelievable.

[Gil-Galad]

By the way Morm, i only accused you cause i felt like, i really had no reason, just thought of poking at you and see if you'll do anything...

(too late for that....)

[Mithalwen]

The next morning, the villagers gradually emergerd from their increasingly well protected dwellings to find they were again one short. They ran to Firefoots elegant abode (surprisingly some of the guttering was missing from its otherwise immaculate frontage, but anyone who noticed assumed it was storm damage) to find the door wide open. There in the hall, lying on it's square tiled floor at the foot of the stairs, watched over by a series of portraits of garishly clad people was Firefoot. She lay sprawled face down, her blonde hair stained with blood from a severe head wound. They turned her and gasped as they saw her lovely face had been painted with her own scarlet blood. It had been the werewolves, in the hall with the lead piping.

It is now Villagers 4 (inc Hunter) Wolves 3

Dead

Mithalwen - Killed by wolves
Gil-Galad(1)- Lynched
Oddwen- Killed by wolves
Kitanna (Seer) - Lynched
Durelin (Guardian)- Killed by wolves
Mormegil (werewolf) lynched
Firefoot Killed by wolves in amanner tobe elaborated

Living


Feanor
Holbytlass
TGWBS
Gil-Galad (2)
Kath
Orominuialwen
Nilpaurion Felagund.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I really liked Firefoot. Part of it was because she agrees with me a lot, but I'm not so shallow that that's my entire reason for wanting her alive again. No, the reason I liked Footie was because I agreed with her reasoning on a lot of stuff.

Except now it seems that her reasoning got her killed. What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone. Only the problem with this is that her last suspect, apart from Mormegil, was TGWBS himself (and Kath... can't leave Kath out).

Does it strike anyone as odd that Firefoot accused those two and then DIED?

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Fea

What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone.

Two points. Uno: Why am I the official investigator-boy? Do it yourself...
Nah, I'll do it later, when time allows.

Two: I liked Firefoot too, agreeing on a lot of her reasoning. However, her death will prove less insightful than that of the Seer or the Guardian; as a normal villager, she knew nothing.

Now, there are four innocents. Holbytlass, I think, has been left alive as she is the Hunter. I have been left to cast suspicion upon me. That leaves three last night. Out of the three, Firefoot's death benefited them most. Why?

I shall return later. *mysterious swish of cloak as Shortie disappears*

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm. This is one of two things: a) a wolvish slip or b) innocent confusion and genuine desire to only lynch innocents. I do wonder if his accusations of Morm are a huge bluff - point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself.

True, Firefoot did point me out here. I explained this later, though, when she accepted my defence.
I also know that I have not yet cleared my name. I made a lot of mistakes, and I need to make up for them before anybody trusts me again.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

The only person I feel any reasonable degree of confidence about right now is Fea.

Her death was potentially to increase confidence in Fea.

I am probably most inclined to think that Kath is a wolf; however, if Kath was a wolf, I doubt Morm is, unless a) they're playing at a bluffing game, or b) Kath was the mytho and turned wolf. And, oddly enough, Morm and Kath are quite suspicious of each other on Day 1, but then... basically nothing.

The mytho suggestion has been placed forward before, and I for one am inclined to support it. This suggests Kath's guilt, or perhaps her innocent with a bluff?

TGWBS, your defence is fairly satisfactory. I'll be checking it out closer, but for now I'm satisfied. I don't know if I really think you're a wolf or not, but, like Fea, I'd kick myself to find it was so.

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow.

The vote of confidence in me. A reinforcement of her resolve to go after Kath.

That's all. I think I'm tempted to go after Kath, though I will need to look at many other things first.