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Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-12-2005, 08:02 AM

Moderator's Note: Many narrations were prepared, outlined, or even entirely written before roles were assigned. There are no Freudian Slips, there is no hidden evidence. Don't think it necessary to kill anyone because I liked the atmosphere added by having a scared little girl. I could just as easily have had a macho wood-cutter or miserable old grandmother instead.

EDIT: Second Mod Note: Some rules have been going for so long that the moderator took them for granted and [insert synonym for "forgot" that doesn't sound as much like "She screwed up"] to post them. The Hunter may not guard the same person two nights in a row.

If players have any questions, they should immediately read the mod's mind, figure out the answer, and go from there. Should they misread, their telepathic abilities will be temporarily suspended. Under no circumstances should the roles of other players be the subject of the telepathic exercise.

Learning to love that EDIT button: Every player has received his or her role and is informed of his or her place in the game. As periods are a full 24 hours, there should be no excuse not to be here.

Firefoot · 07-12-2005, 08:13 AM

TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.

Also - if the Seer dreams of the Ranger, I would say that the Seer should just say that said person is innocent... though I suppose that might make them a target for wolves. Hm...

the guy who be short · 07-12-2005, 08:17 AM

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TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.

It doesn't say that in the rules, though if the Great Deceased Mod in the Sky declares it so, the plan will have to be shelved.

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Also - if the Seer dreams of the Ranger, I would say that the Seer should just say that said person is innocent... though I suppose that might make them a target for wolves. Hm...

True, it's much better to keep it anonymous. The wolves may decide to kill known innocents.

mormegil · 07-12-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row.

What a dissenter! Kill her! Lynch Her! How dare she!

No seriously I agree. I thought that has been a rule for a long while now.

Problem #2. It goes on us accepting the seer's word for it now doesn't it. How can I, or the ranger for that matter, be certain that so and so is the seer? What if two people say they are the seer. One wolf one seer. We have a 1 in 2 chance of killing the right person. If we loose the seer the first day we are nearly sunk.

the guy who be short · 07-12-2005, 08:26 AM

I was going by the assumption that nobody would voice that in the hope that the wolves wouldn't realise, morm.

However, if two people pretend to be the Seer, it's best not to lynch either. Instead, we deduce who the wolf is. In fact, the wolves should have a hard time pretending to be a Seer - if they lie about somebody's guilt, and that person is lynched, the wolf will be found. As soon as a false Seer starts lying, that's game over for them.

EDIT: Plan suspended. *wistful look*

mormegil · 07-12-2005, 08:57 AM

I have a plan. By using a rather scientific method (a co-worker choosing a number 1 to 12) and matching that number on the list provided above I vote we go for somebody at random today. He choose number 10, which would corespond to Oromin. It is of course a shot in the dark and this way seems as easy as any.

the guy who be short · 07-12-2005, 09:06 AM

The fatal flaw with your plan being that you could be a wolf, of course.

Well, I would like to hear from the following:
Holbytlass
Lhunardawen

My wonderful abacus tells me they are the wolves, along with you mormy.

In any case, this whole day is a shot in the dark, so unless one of us says something idiotic, it will have to be a more or less random exercise.

Morm: What would you have done if this co-worker had said "8" (you)? Just wondering.

Kath · 07-12-2005, 09:26 AM

That's a shame about your plan TGWBS. As I was reading it through I realised that it really would have given us a very strong chance of beating the wolves. But the almighty rules reign supreme

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Anyhoo so we have to either find a new plan or rely on good old-fashioned shots in the dark which are rarely successful. I don't think we should immediately start demanding to hear declarations of innocence from people though, for one thing they could sound exactly the same whether they came from a real innocent or a wolf! I suggest waiting until everyone has turned up and made at least one post and then start to form suspicions, rather than relying on abacuses (abaci?) or 'scientific' methods. We do have 24 hours which should give those in different time zones or those with less time on their hands to get here and post.

mormegil · 07-12-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

The fatal flaw with your plan being that you could be a wolf, of course.

Morm: What would you have done if this co-worker had said "8" (you)? Just wondering.

First I told my coworker to exclude 8.

Although I would like some explaining from you TGWBS. It's about a sinister possibility regarding your plan. I would have thought you could see the one major hold up in your plan better than anybody. That is of course the Ranger's inability to protect somebody consecutively. It seems to me the perfect ploy to have the seer identify themselves to the wolves and die on the second night thus minimizing the damage the seer can inflict to the wolves. Your main hope was that nobody remembered that and because it wasn't expressly spelled out you thought you could convince us otherwise.

mormegil · 07-14-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

I have a plan. By using a rather scientific method (a co-worker choosing a number 1 to 12) and matching that number on the list provided above I vote we go for somebody at random today. He choose number 10, which would corespond to Oromin. It is of course a shot in the dark and this way seems as easy as any.

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Now for my query: mormegil, this might be totally irrelevant, but is there more to that Oromin example of yours in post #12 than meets the eye?

Nope it was completely a random pick. My thought was that since we are more likely to get a innocent villager on the first day and compounding the problem is influence by the wolves why not make it totally random. Also it allowed to get some responses and gauge reaction. Just because I mentioned this shortly after TGWBS responded to it did not mean that I had stopped gauging reaction. Why I believed at the time that TGWBS is innocent is because he wanted to take a more methodical approach to finding somebody to kill...possibly increasin our odds of getting a wolf. Of course, that didn't work and we killed poor Eomer...why I don't know he seemed very innocent to me. Anywho there was the possibility that TGWBS was defending Oromin because they are a wolf pack. It wouldn't be likely that TGWBS would make such an obvious blunder...again why I believed him innocent. Of course, I continue to believe that both LMP and TGWBS are innocent.

I've listed before but I will group people in three groups. Group 1 are the most suspicious. 2 not as suspicious but I don't believe them innocents yet. Group 3 people I know to be innocent.

Group 1
Gil-Galad
Saurreg
Holbytlass

Group 2
Nilp
Lhuna
Oromin

Group 3
Firefoot
Mormegil
TGWBS
LMP

I feel fairly confident in my vote today for

++Gil-Galad

I would ask that seer 1 dream of Saurreg and seer 2 dream of Holbytlass. Again it's time for bed and I dont' have time to post in the morning so that is why I vote now. If the seers are to dream of somebody else I think the either LMP or TGWBS should list the final decision.

Lhunardawen · 07-15-2005, 12:57 AM

Oh, okay. Thanks, morm. Looks like I have to think back to square one, then.

Now, to business.

Gil-galad - He most likely was just being himself on his first post. I'm ready to understand that he voted for Eomer because he was the most suspected of at the time aside from himself, and thus, to save his own skin...or fur. Eventually became too dramatic about being suspected because of his posts. Then he suspected tgwbs and lmp of bluffing about being sheriffs (that would be quite a normal reaction) but said nothing else afterwards. Hmm...

tgwbs and lmp - There's no sense for both of you to pretend being sheriffs so I'll take your word for it. That was a nice show you had out there at the start by the way:

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Originally Posted by lmp

An' as fer thet plan of guy, it was fart in the head, plain an' simple.

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Originally Posted by tgwbs

If a Shirriff is about to by lynched - tell us who the other one is! The werewolves are forced to lynch them.

morm - There's more to you than meets the eye. And right now I don't mean that as a bad thing.

Holby - Hammered the final nail on Eomer's coffin with, in my opinion, unreasonable reasons. Explained herself, but still a bit suspicious.

Firefoot - No doubt about it, she's smart. Seems innocent to me, but could be a very sneaky werewolf trying to hide by helping the village out. Or someone learned.

Oromin - Did not vote yesterday. Still not much substantial posts. Could be a werewolf trying to distance herself from the game or an innocent with not much idea what to do.

Nilp - Whatever he is, lynch him.

Saurreg - He was too keen on lynching Eomer, so he could be innocent, or a werewolf hiding behind that assumption. First to suspect me. Attacked tgwbs on defending Eomer. Could be in cahoots with Holby.

Lhuna - Immediately voted for Gil after morm due to RL. Too defensive about tgwbs' abacus. Obviously a Lhunatic.

So on my suspect list are: A: Saurreg, B: Holby, and C: Gil.

I need more posts from Oromin to see if she really is innocent. And Firefoot I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

lmp, while I think your plan is a great idea, are we willing to compromise the seers' lives? And how can we utilize the hunter? Thoughts, anyone?

Holbytlass · 07-12-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Don't think it necessary to kill anyone because I liked the atmosphere added by having a scared little girl.

I wasn't, just adding atmosphere myself since that's all that can be done in the beginning.

*sigh* That was a very good plan, TGWBS, sorry it can't be done. Oh no! Not the dreaded abicus!!

EDIT: One thing we can do this first day is to make sure everyone who is originally supposed to be here are with no substitutions or reincarnations!

07-12-2005, 08:26 AM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	I was going by the assumption that nobody would voice that in the hope that the wolves wouldn't realise, morm. However, if two people pretend to be the Seer, it's best not to lynch either. Instead, we deduce who the wolf is. In fact, the wolves should have a hard time pretending to be a Seer - if they lie about somebody's guilt, and that person is lynched, the wolf will be found. As soon as a false Seer starts lying, that's game over for them. EDIT: Plan suspended. wistful look Last edited by the guy who be short; 07-12-2005 at 08:35 AM.

07-12-2005, 08:57 AM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I have a plan. By using a rather scientific method (a co-worker choosing a number 1 to 12) and matching that number on the list provided above I vote we go for somebody at random today. He choose number 10, which would corespond to Oromin. It is of course a shot in the dark and this way seems as easy as any. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-12-2005, 09:26 AM	#8
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	That's a shame about your plan TGWBS. As I was reading it through I realised that it really would have given us a very strong chance of beating the wolves. But the almighty rules reign supreme . Anyhoo so we have to either find a new plan or rely on good old-fashioned shots in the dark which are rarely successful. I don't think we should immediately start demanding to hear declarations of innocence from people though, for one thing they could sound exactly the same whether they came from a real innocent or a wolf! I suggest waiting until everyone has turned up and made at least one post and then start to form suspicions, rather than relying on abacuses (abaci?) or 'scientific' methods. We do have 24 hours which should give those in different time zones or those with less time on their hands to get here and post. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

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07-12-2005, 08:02 AM	#1
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I knew I forgot something Moderator's Note: Many narrations were prepared, outlined, or even entirely written before roles were assigned. There are no Freudian Slips, there is no hidden evidence. Don't think it necessary to kill anyone because I liked the atmosphere added by having a scared little girl. I could just as easily have had a macho wood-cutter or miserable old grandmother instead. EDIT: Second Mod Note: Some rules have been going for so long that the moderator took them for granted and [insert synonym for "forgot" that doesn't sound as much like "She screwed up"] to post them. The Hunter may not guard the same person two nights in a row. If players have any questions, they should immediately read the mod's mind, figure out the answer, and go from there. Should they misread, their telepathic abilities will be temporarily suspended. Under no circumstances should the roles of other players be the subject of the telepathic exercise. Learning to love that EDIT button: Every player has received his or her role and is informed of his or her place in the game. As periods are a full 24 hours, there should be no excuse not to be here. __________________ peace Last edited by Feanor of the Peredhil; 07-12-2005 at 09:55 AM.

07-12-2005, 08:13 AM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	TGWBS - Your plan sounds really good. However, I don't think that the Ranger can protect the same person two nights in a row. Also - if the Seer dreams of the Ranger, I would say that the Seer should just say that said person is innocent... though I suppose that might make them a target for wolves. Hm...

07-12-2005, 09:06 AM	#7
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	The fatal flaw with your plan being that you could be a wolf, of course. Well, I would like to hear from the following: Holbytlass Lhunardawen My wonderful abacus tells me they are the wolves, along with you mormy. In any case, this whole day is a shot in the dark, so unless one of us says something idiotic, it will have to be a more or less random exercise. Morm: What would you have done if this co-worker had said "8" (you)? Just wondering.