Red Flows the Sirannon Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Durelin · 07-14-2005, 01:39 PM

Sounds quite reasonable.

Who's shooting?

Firefoot · 07-14-2005, 01:52 PM

4-5 months all told (i.e., including mustering of troops, supplies, the journey itself), sounds reasonable to me. Provided the army goes at about 10-20 miles per day, the journey itself should only take 1-2 months, maybe a little more.

I mean, think about it. Frodo got from Hobbiton to Rivendell (almost 500 mi.) in about a month, and he was injured half the time and almost never actually took the road. Even though there are a lot more people in this army, they will be taking the road and will be in good health, I'm assuming. I don't see how the journey itself can take more than 2 months, maybe a little more if there are any serious mishaps.

piosenniel · 07-14-2005, 02:22 PM

Let me chime in here with what Tolkien says about Elrond's rescue party for Eregion. I've already shared this with Envinyatar.

Elrond is chosen to aid the Elvensmiths in 1695. For what ever reasons, it will take the Lindon Elves until 1697 to come near Eregion. Sauron sends his troops against them and they are unable to enter Eregion at all, despite the additional aid they receive from a group of Lorien Elves led by Celeborn. Eregion is destroyed, Ost-in-Edhil in ruins.

Elrond and Celeborn's troops are nearly destroyed by Sauron and company - when King Durin III of Moria sends some Dwarven troops along with another group of Lorien Elves against Sauron's troops from the rear.

Sauron's army turns its focus on the Dwarves and Lorien Elves, driving them back to Moria - the West-gate, which faces Eregion, is then shut tightly against Sauron's troops and none can enter.

Elrond takes advantage of the changed focus of the enemy and with what remains of his men, along with some refugees from Eregion that he picks up along the way, he retreast northeast to the hidden valley where he will establish Imladris.

Sauron, in the meantime, sweeps east over Eriador, heading toward Lindon.

----------------

So ----

- the Elves from Lindon will not enter Ost-in-Edhil and fight alongside the Elvensmiths

- the Dwarves and Elves of Lorien, however, can certainly join in the battle alongside the Elves of Eregion

Orofaniel · 07-15-2005, 04:09 AM

So, here is my (lameass) character - finally...

*****

Character Description Form:

1.) Have you ever played in an RPG at the Barrow Downs? – YES - Which one? Hunt of the Dragon, Flight from Rohan, Corsairs and Corsets, Setting sails for Valinor, Breelanders All!, Hunted, Last Hope for Moria, Bloodstained Elanor, Hunt for the Palantiri and..er..(Shadow of the West)

2.) How many RPG’s on the Barrow Downs are you currently involved in?

None.

3.) Have you posted in The Green Dragon Inn? – Yep- a long time a ago..

*****************

Orofaniel's character

NAME: Geldion (Gel-dhi-on)

AGE: 1095

RACE: Noldor elf.

GENDER: Male

WEAPONS: Geldion is highly skilled with his sword, and it has always been his weapon of choice. His sword was given to him by his brother. At a glance, this sword looks like an ordinary sword, but the blade is much sharper and much lighter than one would think in the first place. If needed, Geldion has proved well with both spears and bow.

APPEARANCE: Tall and slim, like most elves. He has greyish eyes, and they are rather small in his somewhat round face. He has some rather strong features; long and somewhat rare nose, and strong- but not bushy eyebrows. His hair is often worn in a plait. In battles he wears a light armour, helmet, daggers, and of course his sword. He usually wears soft, light tunics with silver embroidery.

PERSONALITY/STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES: An ordinary elf, but perhaps more skilled in battle strategies and tactics than most. This has not been a natural thing for him, rather a knowledge that has grown with him over the years. He has observed, watched and learned from his superior(s), especially the King and his closest followers – whom Geldion owns much respect. He has, because of this, grown to be a reliable and a loyal advisor.

Geldion is easily attached to people for better or worse. He is likeable and respected amongst his fellow elves.

Geldion likes to have big responsibilities and most of the time he carries them out with great success. He does not like the thought of defeat, or failure of any kind, and is therefore very careful when facing difficult or challenging decisions and so forth. He prefers to have some sort of control over the current situation and be updated on recent events. He is in many ways just an advisor, but he also has a great impact on those who carry out the plans. Therefore in many ways he is some sort of a leader type. Although he has never really led any sort of armies, he knows exactly which tactics that has to be used, and how they should carry out the mission. Although since this is still new to him, one cannot guarantee he won't meet some minor, or bigger, defeats. He is however, a person with strong confident in what he does, and does not easily give up. He is after all, a warrior.

HSTORY: Geldion joined Gil-Galad when he received the kingship of the Noldor. And followed him until Gil-Galad established Lindon, where Geldion also settled. Geldion is a loyal follower of his High King, and has been so ever since Gil-Galad received the kingship of the Noldor.

Most of his family were lost to him during the Great Battle. His brother mourned and was lost shortly after, leaving his sword behind, for Geldion to use.

Geldion is a close friend to Ondomirë. They met each other in Lindon when Gil-Galad established it. Both of them are to this day humble servants and loyal to The King. Geldion has therefore, much like his friend, volunteered to be captain for the swordsmen.

******

Orofaniel's post

‘Best we give the stripling all the support we can, don’t you think?’ he said quietly as he sat back down.

"Ondomirë, you know better, age and wisdom are not automatically connected," Geldion said under his breath, smiling at the elf, who had just gotten up from his seat to volunteer to lead the archers in the upcoming battle.

It was Geldion turn to get up. "My friend here Ondomire," Geldion started, looking back at the elf, "has just volunteered to lead one of the division," Geldion then said. "Aye, it will be the archers," Ondomirë confirmed. "It would be my honour, my King, if I could lead the division with the swordsmen," Geldion said.

The King looked at him. He didn't look surprised, but curious, or even - in wonder. Why would he volunteer for that, an elf who had not experience whatsoever with leading any force or sort of armies at all? "I know what The King must be thinking. I have not leaded any divisions before. I am merely a humble advisor. I am nevertheless, a warrior as well. I'm highly skilled with the sword, and therefore I would be honoured if the King would grant me the division of swordsmen,” Geldion finished. But just as the words and sentences had slipped from his tongue, he felt as though if he regretted it; this was no place for him. He was not able to lead soldiers into war. It didn’t suit him. He couldn’t do it; he was after all just an advisor. Tactics and strategies was his main field. He was however, a good warrior in combats. He admitted not to be as talented with the spears as with as swords though.

His thoughts circulated for a few seconds, before he opened his mouth again; “It is a task of great responsibility and it is perhaps too much for me to undertake at this point. Thus, I understand if the council wishes me to withdraw and come as a soldier only. Either way, I will do as you command, my King." He straightened his back, not looking the King in the eyes. He found himself trying to avoid the eyes of the elves present at the meeting.

The elves said naught for a couple of moments. All seemed to be in deep thought. Elrond had turned away from the map, and was now looking at Gil -Galad

"I think it only fair that you shall be the captain of the swordsmen," and elf said, but not clear or loud enough for everyone to hear.

"Indeed," another elf whispered. "You have served me well over the years," the King said. "You shall therefore lead the swordsman, but remember not only to use your skills when in battle, but also when preparing for it. You shall go not only as a Captain, but also as an advisor. Remember that," Gil-Galad said quietly. A feeling of great sensation of joy and relief reached Geldion's body and mind as the King spoke. Maybe he had been too critical towards his own abilities. Perhaps he was the right man for this task after all. The king, the man Geldion respected the most, showed confidence in him by giving him the swordsmen division, and thus Geldion promised himself not to fail or be defeated.

"Thank you, my King. I will not fail," he said and thanked the elves altogether, as he bowed. "Let us hope so," Ondomirë said, smiling at him as Geldion seated again.

*************

Edited if needed of course!

Cheers,
Orofaniel

Durelin · 07-15-2005, 01:03 PM

Thank you, Pio, for both varifying the source I used (of which I was uncertain of the validity...), and giving me some more details that I was unaware of. I do need to learn to do better research.

How does it sound to everyone if we went with the Lindon troops being forced to wait until the end of winter? Then we won't have any unreasonably long marches and such. Is it alright if the issue of winter arriving is covered in the council? (I don't mean in any of the first posts...there'll be plenty of time for more council)

Nurumaiel - Beautiful post. I absolutely adore your character!

Orofaniel - Your bio and post are excellent! 'Lameass'? Bull hoggery!

Folwren · 07-15-2005, 09:39 PM

So have people established the time period of the elves march to be 4-5 months?

I am fine with whatever, of course, but I'm actually wondering what made it such an argument. I mean...is anyone even RPing the elves coming with Elrond? Are those the Noldor elves? Or have I just proved myself an imbecile by asking?

I have been wondering about how far people think we are from beginning? The first posts are getting me excited.

Envinyatar · 07-15-2005, 11:21 PM

The Elves coming with Elrond are the three gamers who are the Elves of Lindon.

It was my misunderstanding that Elrond's troops would actually reach Ost-in-Edhil and fight alongside the Elven-smiths and Dwarves. I thought we might play along with the others who are defending Ost-in-Edhil; that's why I originally wanted to get there earlier.

As Pio pointed out, we will not be doing that - ours will be more of a side game. By the time we reach Eregion, Sauron will have nearly destroyed the Elven-smiths' cities and we will be repulsed by his troops and flee north.

It really doesn't matter now how long the march will take - the Lindon Elf gamers can accomplish their part of the story line with a limited number of posts if necessary in order to get to the point where Eregion is overrun and we arrive too late.

- E -

07-14-2005, 02:22 PM	#3
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Let me chime in here with what Tolkien says about Elrond's rescue party for Eregion. I've already shared this with Envinyatar. Elrond is chosen to aid the Elvensmiths in 1695. For what ever reasons, it will take the Lindon Elves until 1697 to come near Eregion. Sauron sends his troops against them and they are unable to enter Eregion at all, despite the additional aid they receive from a group of Lorien Elves led by Celeborn. Eregion is destroyed, Ost-in-Edhil in ruins. Elrond and Celeborn's troops are nearly destroyed by Sauron and company - when King Durin III of Moria sends some Dwarven troops along with another group of Lorien Elves against Sauron's troops from the rear. Sauron's army turns its focus on the Dwarves and Lorien Elves, driving them back to Moria - the West-gate, which faces Eregion, is then shut tightly against Sauron's troops and none can enter. Elrond takes advantage of the changed focus of the enemy and with what remains of his men, along with some refugees from Eregion that he picks up along the way, he retreast northeast to the hidden valley where he will establish Imladris. Sauron, in the meantime, sweeps east over Eriador, heading toward Lindon. ---------------- So ---- - the Elves from Lindon will not enter Ost-in-Edhil and fight alongside the Elvensmiths - the Dwarves and Elves of Lorien, however, can certainly join in the battle alongside the Elves of Eregion Last edited by piosenniel; 07-14-2005 at 02:26 PM.

07-15-2005, 04:09 AM	#4
Orofaniel Mighty Mouse of Mordor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lands of the North, where no man can reach.... Posts: 823	Character Profile + first post So, here is my (lameass) character - finally... *** Character Description Form: 1.) Have you ever played in an RPG at the Barrow Downs? – YES - Which one? Hunt of the Dragon, Flight from Rohan, Corsairs and Corsets, Setting sails for Valinor, Breelanders All!, Hunted, Last Hope for Moria, Bloodstained Elanor, Hunt for the Palantiri and..er..(Shadow of the West) 2.) How many RPG’s on the Barrow Downs are you currently involved in? None. 3.) Have you posted in The Green Dragon Inn? – Yep- a long time a ago.. ************* Orofaniel's character NAME: Geldion (Gel-dhi-on) AGE: 1095 RACE: Noldor elf. GENDER: Male WEAPONS: Geldion is highly skilled with his sword, and it has always been his weapon of choice. His sword was given to him by his brother. At a glance, this sword looks like an ordinary sword, but the blade is much sharper and much lighter than one would think in the first place. If needed, Geldion has proved well with both spears and bow. APPEARANCE: Tall and slim, like most elves. He has greyish eyes, and they are rather small in his somewhat round face. He has some rather strong features; long and somewhat rare nose, and strong- but not bushy eyebrows. His hair is often worn in a plait. In battles he wears a light armour, helmet, daggers, and of course his sword. He usually wears soft, light tunics with silver embroidery. PERSONALITY/STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES: An ordinary elf, but perhaps more skilled in battle strategies and tactics than most. This has not been a natural thing for him, rather a knowledge that has grown with him over the years. He has observed, watched and learned from his superior(s), especially the King and his closest followers – whom Geldion owns much respect. He has, because of this, grown to be a reliable and a loyal advisor. Geldion is easily attached to people for better or worse. He is likeable and respected amongst his fellow elves. Geldion likes to have big responsibilities and most of the time he carries them out with great success. He does not like the thought of defeat, or failure of any kind, and is therefore very careful when facing difficult or challenging decisions and so forth. He prefers to have some sort of control over the current situation and be updated on recent events. He is in many ways just an advisor, but he also has a great impact on those who carry out the plans. Therefore in many ways he is some sort of a leader type. Although he has never really led any sort of armies, he knows exactly which tactics that has to be used, and how they should carry out the mission. Although since this is still new to him, one cannot guarantee he won't meet some minor, or bigger, defeats. He is however, a person with strong confident in what he does, and does not easily give up. He is after all, a warrior. HSTORY: Geldion joined Gil-Galad when he received the kingship of the Noldor. And followed him until Gil-Galad established Lindon, where Geldion also settled. Geldion is a loyal follower of his High King, and has been so ever since Gil-Galad received the kingship of the Noldor. Most of his family were lost to him during the Great Battle. His brother mourned and was lost shortly after, leaving his sword behind, for Geldion to use. Geldion is a close friend to Ondomirë. They met each other in Lindon when Gil-Galad established it. Both of them are to this day humble servants and loyal to The King. Geldion has therefore, much like his friend, volunteered to be captain for the swordsmen. ** Orofaniel's post ‘Best we give the stripling all the support we can, don’t you think?’ he said quietly as he sat back down. "Ondomirë, you know better, age and wisdom are not automatically connected," Geldion said under his breath, smiling at the elf, who had just gotten up from his seat to volunteer to lead the archers in the upcoming battle. It was Geldion turn to get up. "My friend here Ondomire," Geldion started, looking back at the elf, "has just volunteered to lead one of the division," Geldion then said. "Aye, it will be the archers," Ondomirë confirmed. "It would be my honour, my King, if I could lead the division with the swordsmen," Geldion said. The King looked at him. He didn't look surprised, but curious, or even - in wonder. Why would he volunteer for that, an elf who had not experience whatsoever with leading any force or sort of armies at all? "I know what The King must be thinking. I have not leaded any divisions before. I am merely a humble advisor. I am nevertheless, a warrior as well. I'm highly skilled with the sword, and therefore I would be honoured if the King would grant me the division of swordsmen,” Geldion finished. But just as the words and sentences had slipped from his tongue, he felt as though if he regretted it; this was no place for him. He was not able to lead soldiers into war. It didn’t suit him. He couldn’t do it; he was after all just an advisor. Tactics and strategies was his main field. He was however, a good warrior in combats. He admitted not to be as talented with the spears as with as swords though. His thoughts circulated for a few seconds, before he opened his mouth again; “It is a task of great responsibility and it is perhaps too much for me to undertake at this point. Thus, I understand if the council wishes me to withdraw and come as a soldier only. Either way, I will do as you command, my King." He straightened his back, not looking the King in the eyes. He found himself trying to avoid the eyes of the elves present at the meeting. The elves said naught for a couple of moments. All seemed to be in deep thought. Elrond had turned away from the map, and was now looking at Gil -Galad "I think it only fair that you shall be the captain of the swordsmen," and elf said, but not clear or loud enough for everyone to hear. "Indeed," another elf whispered. "You have served me well over the years," the King said. "You shall therefore lead the swordsman, but remember not only to use your skills when in battle, but also when preparing for it. You shall go not only as a Captain, but also as an advisor. Remember that," Gil-Galad said quietly. A feeling of great sensation of joy and relief reached Geldion's body and mind as the King spoke. Maybe he had been too critical towards his own abilities. Perhaps he was the right man for this task after all. The king, the man Geldion respected the most, showed confidence in him by giving him the swordsmen division, and thus Geldion promised himself not to fail or be defeated. "Thank you, my King. I will not fail," he said and thanked the elves altogether, as he bowed. "Let us hope so," Ondomirë said, smiling at him as Geldion seated again. *********** Edited if needed of course! Cheers, Orofaniel __________________ I lost my old sig...somehow....screams and shouts ..............What is this?- Now isn't this fun? >_< .....and yes, the jumping mouse is my new avatar. ^_^ Last edited by piosenniel; 07-15-2005 at 05:09 PM.

07-15-2005, 09:39 PM	#6
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	So have people established the time period of the elves march to be 4-5 months? I am fine with whatever, of course, but I'm actually wondering what made it such an argument. I mean...is anyone even RPing the elves coming with Elrond? Are those the Noldor elves? Or have I just proved myself an imbecile by asking? I have been wondering about how far people think we are from beginning? The first posts are getting me excited. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-15-2005, 11:21 PM	#7
Envinyatar Quill Revenant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through the Downs..... Posts: 849	The Elves coming with Elrond are the three gamers who are the Elves of Lindon. It was my misunderstanding that Elrond's troops would actually reach Ost-in-Edhil and fight alongside the Elven-smiths and Dwarves. I thought we might play along with the others who are defending Ost-in-Edhil; that's why I originally wanted to get there earlier. As Pio pointed out, we will not be doing that - ours will be more of a side game. By the time we reach Eregion, Sauron will have nearly destroyed the Elven-smiths' cities and we will be repulsed by his troops and flee north. It really doesn't matter now how long the march will take - the Lindon Elf gamers can accomplish their part of the story line with a limited number of posts if necessary in order to get to the point where Eregion is overrun and we arrive too late. - E - __________________ ‘Many are the strange chances of the world,’ said Mithrandir, ‘and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter.’ – Gandalf in: The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age' Last edited by Envinyatar; 07-15-2005 at 11:26 PM.

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07-14-2005, 01:39 PM	#1
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Sounds quite reasonable. Who's shooting?

07-14-2005, 01:52 PM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	4-5 months all told (i.e., including mustering of troops, supplies, the journey itself), sounds reasonable to me. Provided the army goes at about 10-20 miles per day, the journey itself should only take 1-2 months, maybe a little more. I mean, think about it. Frodo got from Hobbiton to Rivendell (almost 500 mi.) in about a month, and he was injured half the time and almost never actually took the road. Even though there are a lot more people in this army, they will be taking the road and will be in good health, I'm assuming. I don't see how the journey itself can take more than 2 months, maybe a little more if there are any serious mishaps.

07-15-2005, 01:03 PM	#5
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Thank you, Pio, for both varifying the source I used (of which I was uncertain of the validity...), and giving me some more details that I was unaware of. I do need to learn to do better research. How does it sound to everyone if we went with the Lindon troops being forced to wait until the end of winter? Then we won't have any unreasonably long marches and such. Is it alright if the issue of winter arriving is covered in the council? (I don't mean in any of the first posts...there'll be plenty of time for more council) Nurumaiel - Beautiful post. I absolutely adore your character! Orofaniel - Your bio and post are excellent! 'Lameass'? Bull hoggery!