The Fairest Kingdom/Realm in Middle-Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gorthaur the Cruel · 08-03-2005, 11:47 AM

Ugh. You people have twisted my words. I was saying that it might've been foolish for Melian to establish a kingdom if she did not cast a spell or had some power with similar effect to the Three which PRSERVED all the fair things that elves consider (such lands & trees). It had nothing to do with Nephredil!

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Similarly, I am not convinced that timelessness makes a place more beautiful.

Under the law of the sun & moon, all things decay rapidly unlike before when it was still twilight in ME. That is exactly it, the timelessness was literal. Doriath, as fair as it was, Tolkien didn't describe it in an almost identical sense of Valinor like Lothlorien.

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I don't think it would've been foolish for Melian and Thingol to establish the realm of Doriath if they did not give it a "magical" timelessness.

That's exactly it. A kingdom as majestic as Doriath would only fall into decay under the sun unless Melian hollowed it did some mojo but it was not mentioned in the Silmaril so this gives the impression that she did not posess such a power.

CaptainofDespair · 08-03-2005, 12:21 PM

Even so, cannot decay and death be beautiful? Lothlorien may have had timelessness (for a time), but wouldn't you grow weary of the same look? I know I would. The withering of the old, and the grow of the new upon the shell of the old is beautiful to some. If you don't have decay, you won't experience that. So, I would go with Gondolin for the First Age, and Imladris for the Third Age.

Alcarillo · 08-03-2005, 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Gorthaur the Cruel]Ugh. You people have twisted my words. I was saying that it might've been foolish for Melian to establish a kingdom if she did not cast a spell or had some power with similar effect to the Three which PRSERVED all the fair things that elves consider (such lands & trees). It had nothing to do with Nephredil!QUOTE]

Eh, I'm not convinced that not making a place timeless was foolish. Many other kingdoms and realms of Middle-earth surely did not possess this magical timelessness, and yet their establishments surely must not have been foolish.

And like CaptainofDespair said, decay can be beautiful.

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08-03-2005, 12:21 PM	#2
CaptainofDespair Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 413	Even so, cannot decay and death be beautiful? Lothlorien may have had timelessness (for a time), but wouldn't you grow weary of the same look? I know I would. The withering of the old, and the grow of the new upon the shell of the old is beautiful to some. If you don't have decay, you won't experience that. So, I would go with Gondolin for the First Age, and Imladris for the Third Age.

08-03-2005, 06:03 PM	#3
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	[QUOTE=Gorthaur the Cruel]Ugh. You people have twisted my words. I was saying that it might've been foolish for Melian to establish a kingdom if she did not cast a spell or had some power with similar effect to the Three which PRSERVED all the fair things that elves consider (such lands & trees). It had nothing to do with Nephredil!QUOTE] Eh, I'm not convinced that not making a place timeless was foolish. Many other kingdoms and realms of Middle-earth surely did not possess this magical timelessness, and yet their establishments surely must not have been foolish. And like CaptainofDespair said, decay can be beautiful.