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Firefoot · 08-07-2005, 02:00 PM

Oromin, I agree. Eomer's posts were full of stuff like that, even at the start: "I have no idea why anyone would want to kill so-and-so." It also made me laugh that the one game Eomer should have been lynched, he wasn't. Knowing everyone's role and watching the game play out has got to be one of the best things about modding, which I thought was a ton of fun. The hardest part was coming up with original deaths at the end... I was at the end of my rope.

So thanks to Bethberry for giving me the idea of scalping.

That death was inspired... though someone informed me it may have been a little over the top. (Perhaps "without a top" describes it better?

)

Great game, everyone.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-07-2005, 02:06 PM

When we were hiding well, and other people were commenting on what a good job the wolves were doing, I almost typed Yes, these wolves are doing rather magnificently, yes?

I quickly decided against that; it would have been far too obvious!

Hear that noise? It's the sound of Lhuna tearing her hair out.

By the way, those killings hurt me just as much as they hurt you. Honest.

To add: Thanks Holby. Yes, the irony was seeping through the keyboard.

mormegil · 08-07-2005, 03:30 PM

If only the village had listened to me at my death. But no it wouldn't be so. Eomer great job! I started to think that it may have been you when Fea died and your reaction to that it is what I would have done to be honest

. But what pacified me was leading the charge in killing the other wolves but by the end I had you figured out but of course it was too little too late. Oh one other thing that made me suspcious of you is that you survived past day 1

Tore fantastic job and wonderful strategy! Of course you were aided by Lhuna and others but no matter what I would never have thought you to be the cobbler. For one fleeting day I thought you to be a wolf but that went away quickly. A brilliant start to a great new role.

What did everyone else think of the cobbler role? I think it added a wonderful new element of complexity to the game.

So I was the cursed villager. I had this sinking suspicion from the start that I was. I actually almost posted it when I was about to die but thought better of it

Great game to the other wolves Kitanna and Oromin as well. Kath despite what you think I feel you played rather well and kept yourself alive very long. Which can be hard to do as a seer. I feel so bad about Durelin and Oddwen though. To think one wolf killed one and I killed the other

.

Finally, great job Firefoot! You were excellent. I haven't modded but I was able to get a birds eye view when TGWBS modded and I had to sit out. It is wonderful to watch it all play out with the complete knowledge. Though I hope you dont' think less of me for not figuring out anything really *roll eyes*

Thanks all.

Edit: I was laughing every day about my axe! It was so much fun to have this runing joke between the mod and me. Though I'm glad I could finally use it.

Encaitare · 08-07-2005, 03:37 PM

Nice playing, everyone. Eomer, as soon as I was killed I knew it was you, but I never suspected TORE. Hope to see some of you in WWVIII!

The Only Real Estel · 08-07-2005, 03:37 PM

Hints & Bluffs: Well, when I dropped hints I made them extremely subtle - I didn't want to be too obvious about it. At one point I said I was off for some oatmeal, some peaches, & some ice cream. This was one hint that I sincerely doubted anyone would pick up one - I don't know if any of you have ever had peach cobbler before but it basically amounts to peaches & ice cream (the oatmeal was just an add on). After not being on for awhile I returned with the action of *shaking the cobwebs from my brain*. Extremely subtle hints, as I said before, but one never knows who might pick up on them (although no one did

). And then in the last DAY or two I really started discussing possible Cobbler strategies, but that really wasn't hinting, per se.

As to bluffs I decided to ask about what we should be looking for in the Cobbler, etc. as a sort of double-bluff; at one point I thought I had overdone it, but apparently not. After Elf-Warrior mentioned the role I started asking about it. Basically the first day I tried to get everyone's focus more on the role of the Cobbler than wolves - asking for clarifications suggesting that Nilp might be 'the cobbler cobbler', etc. I also asked Firefoot if we would know if we'd killed the Cobbler, as another small double-bluff sort of thing. Also, when Lhuna suggested that the Cobbler might be hiding I quickly brought up that they're job is mainly to confuse us - I didn't want them to focus on my strategy, of course.

As I go back & read my posts I'm amazed at how many times I said the word 'Cobbler'.

(edit): On one last Cobbler not: I don't think I played that well, I was just saved at the end by the wolf lasting. I knew about half way through that unless Eomer was the wolf I had little chance of looking even the least bit smart, he was the only one out of the other potential wolves that hadn't had much suspicion cast on him & could then possibly last until the last DAY for me to redeem myself. That & I basically hung my entire strategy on the guess that he was a wolf. Had the wolf been taken out & the game won by the villagers I would've done a horrible job as Cobbler, I especially did poorly at the start when I was trying to get a handle for the whole thing. I was just fortunate that my daring & rather unsmart strategy paid off - though I can't say I'd do the same thing if I was given a do-over!

By the way, Eomer I must say I had you figured out from DAY one, though at times (mostly late in the game) I began to waver ever so slightly. I think I'll post some of my thoughts for each DAY...I'll have to get them more orginized first, though.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-07-2005, 03:48 PM

O yea, it's real easy to say Of course, I had Eomer figured out right at the start now that the game's over!

I thought we wolves were unlucky with our suspicion. I'm not sure why everyone leapt on Kitanna (dancing spawn, wow - she was so troublesome). Oromin's case speaks for itself. And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey!

Kuru, get me one of those t-shirts.

And it's nice to see The Saga still being used after all these games.

Encaitare · 08-07-2005, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer

And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey!

I thought that after a while your reminders that you'd helped lynch Kitanna and Oromin became suspicious.

I tried to make a subtle hint like TORE. Since I wasn't allowed to say I was the Shirriff, I wrote "There is someone else I do not suspect, and I don't want to see an innocent's eyes fluttering closed as they hang..." I had hoped that someone might make the connection "flutter --> butterfly --> Wilwarin --> innocent." At least people did figure out that we were the Shirriffs from my more outright defenses.

littlemanpoet · 08-08-2005, 03:09 AM

Eomer, you were very wise to kill me the night you did. I was reading through your posts and had come to the same conclusion that Mormegil did, that you were either innocent are a daring double bluffer; only I was convinced it was the latter. I was preparing a "Case Against Eomer" that I never got to post. Good game!

Oh, and having not read past page 10 yet, let me just add that with so many villagers, to chain the shirriffs to not revealing themselves until one died, seemed unnecessary to me in the first place, and pretty much proved out that if you're going to hog-tie them, might as well not have them at all.

Edit: Lhuna, you were convincing me, but he took me out!

Lhunardawen · 08-08-2005, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Edit: Lhuna, you were convincing me, but he took me out!

That's why I thought either Eomer or Estel was the wolf. The werewolf might have thought you were the Seer and about to dream of one of them, that's why the lycan killed you right before you can say anything.

Lhunardawen · 08-08-2005, 12:46 AM

Goodness. I am utterly speechless.

I'll try to regain my speech when my jaw stops dropping.

Lhunardawen · 08-08-2005, 01:06 AM

IknewitIknewitIknewitIknewitIknewitIknewit I knew it!!!

I knew something's up when Eomer survived beyond Day 3!

But the funny thing about this is, I was trying to convince even myself of Eomer's lycanthropy when I posted my suspicions of him on Day 3. What finally convinced me is an anonymous rep on that post saying this:

Quote:

I'll explain this rep after the game.

I did a quick count of the points that rep had - I think it was around 24. This is where the fun begins...

I thought it came from Firefoot!!!

But I told myself, "No, no, of course she wouldn't do that. She's the mod." But somehow I believed the rep to be a sign from heaven that I am on the right track about Eomer. So I went after him, but nobody would believe me. Added to that, he did a fine job of defending himself, so in the end I thought Estel really was the werewolf. My hat is off to you, dear big bro.

And to you too, Estel. You have no idea how befuddled I was with the two of you, even after my death. Nilp can attest to that.

*starts tearing hair out*

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 08-08-2005, 02:13 AM

Wow... you should never underestimate the wolves... or the cobbler. Thanks for the great game, everyone!

Eomer, the wolves of the previous villages are proud to welcome you to the VIP Club of Victorious Werewolves!

Firefoot, excellent modding!

08-07-2005, 02:06 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	When we were hiding well, and other people were commenting on what a good job the wolves were doing, I almost typed Yes, these wolves are doing rather magnificently, yes? I quickly decided against that; it would have been far too obvious! Hear that noise? It's the sound of Lhuna tearing her hair out. By the way, those killings hurt me just as much as they hurt you. Honest. To add: Thanks Holby. Yes, the irony was seeping through the keyboard. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 08-07-2005 at 02:08 PM. Reason: guess. go on...

08-07-2005, 03:30 PM	#3
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	If only the village had listened to me at my death. But no it wouldn't be so. Eomer great job! I started to think that it may have been you when Fea died and your reaction to that it is what I would have done to be honest . But what pacified me was leading the charge in killing the other wolves but by the end I had you figured out but of course it was too little too late. Oh one other thing that made me suspcious of you is that you survived past day 1 Tore fantastic job and wonderful strategy! Of course you were aided by Lhuna and others but no matter what I would never have thought you to be the cobbler. For one fleeting day I thought you to be a wolf but that went away quickly. A brilliant start to a great new role. What did everyone else think of the cobbler role? I think it added a wonderful new element of complexity to the game. So I was the cursed villager. I had this sinking suspicion from the start that I was. I actually almost posted it when I was about to die but thought better of it Great game to the other wolves Kitanna and Oromin as well. Kath despite what you think I feel you played rather well and kept yourself alive very long. Which can be hard to do as a seer. I feel so bad about Durelin and Oddwen though. To think one wolf killed one and I killed the other . Finally, great job Firefoot! You were excellent. I haven't modded but I was able to get a birds eye view when TGWBS modded and I had to sit out. It is wonderful to watch it all play out with the complete knowledge. Though I hope you dont' think less of me for not figuring out anything really roll eyes Thanks all. Edit: I was laughing every day about my axe! It was so much fun to have this runing joke between the mod and me. Though I'm glad I could finally use it. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” Last edited by mormegil; 08-07-2005 at 03:35 PM.

08-07-2005, 03:37 PM	#5
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Hints & Bluffs: Well, when I dropped hints I made them extremely subtle - I didn't want to be too obvious about it. At one point I said I was off for some oatmeal, some peaches, & some ice cream. This was one hint that I sincerely doubted anyone would pick up one - I don't know if any of you have ever had peach cobbler before but it basically amounts to peaches & ice cream (the oatmeal was just an add on). After not being on for awhile I returned with the action of shaking the cobwebs from my brain. Extremely subtle hints, as I said before, but one never knows who might pick up on them (although no one did ). And then in the last DAY or two I really started discussing possible Cobbler strategies, but that really wasn't hinting, per se. As to bluffs I decided to ask about what we should be looking for in the Cobbler, etc. as a sort of double-bluff; at one point I thought I had overdone it, but apparently not. After Elf-Warrior mentioned the role I started asking about it. Basically the first day I tried to get everyone's focus more on the role of the Cobbler than wolves - asking for clarifications suggesting that Nilp might be 'the cobbler cobbler', etc. I also asked Firefoot if we would know if we'd killed the Cobbler, as another small double-bluff sort of thing. Also, when Lhuna suggested that the Cobbler might be hiding I quickly brought up that they're job is mainly to confuse us - I didn't want them to focus on my strategy, of course. As I go back & read my posts I'm amazed at how many times I said the word 'Cobbler'. (edit): On one last Cobbler not: I don't think I played that well, I was just saved at the end by the wolf lasting. I knew about half way through that unless Eomer was the wolf I had little chance of looking even the least bit smart, he was the only one out of the other potential wolves that hadn't had much suspicion cast on him & could then possibly last until the last DAY for me to redeem myself. That & I basically hung my entire strategy on the guess that he was a wolf. Had the wolf been taken out & the game won by the villagers I would've done a horrible job as Cobbler, I especially did poorly at the start when I was trying to get a handle for the whole thing. I was just fortunate that my daring & rather unsmart strategy paid off - though I can't say I'd do the same thing if I was given a do-over! By the way, Eomer I must say I had you figured out from DAY one, though at times (mostly late in the game) I began to waver ever so slightly. I think I'll post some of my thoughts for each DAY...I'll have to get them more orginized first, though. Last edited by The Only Real Estel; 08-07-2005 at 03:44 PM.

08-07-2005, 03:48 PM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	O yea, it's real easy to say Of course, I had Eomer figured out right at the start now that the game's over! I thought we wolves were unlucky with our suspicion. I'm not sure why everyone leapt on Kitanna (dancing spawn, wow - she was so troublesome). Oromin's case speaks for itself. And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey! Kuru, get me one of those t-shirts. And it's nice to see The Saga still being used after all these games. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 08-07-2005 at 03:50 PM. Reason: how now? brown cow...

08-08-2005, 03:09 AM	#8
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Eomer, you were very wise to kill me the night you did. I was reading through your posts and had come to the same conclusion that Mormegil did, that you were either innocent are a daring double bluffer; only I was convinced it was the latter. I was preparing a "Case Against Eomer" that I never got to post. Good game! Oh, and having not read past page 10 yet, let me just add that with so many villagers, to chain the shirriffs to not revealing themselves until one died, seemed unnecessary to me in the first place, and pretty much proved out that if you're going to hog-tie them, might as well not have them at all. Edit: Lhuna, you were convincing me, but he took me out! Last edited by littlemanpoet; 08-08-2005 at 03:19 AM.

08-07-2005, 02:00 PM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Oromin, I agree. Eomer's posts were full of stuff like that, even at the start: "I have no idea why anyone would want to kill so-and-so." It also made me laugh that the one game Eomer should have been lynched, he wasn't. Knowing everyone's role and watching the game play out has got to be one of the best things about modding, which I thought was a ton of fun. The hardest part was coming up with original deaths at the end... I was at the end of my rope. So thanks to Bethberry for giving me the idea of scalping. That death was inspired... though someone informed me it may have been a little over the top. (Perhaps "without a top" describes it better? ) Great game, everyone.

08-07-2005, 03:37 PM	#4
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Nice playing, everyone. Eomer, as soon as I was killed I knew it was you, but I never suspected TORE. Hope to see some of you in WWVIII!

08-08-2005, 12:46 AM	#10
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Goodness. I am utterly speechless. I'll try to regain my speech when my jaw stops dropping.

08-08-2005, 02:13 AM	#12
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Wow... you should never underestimate the wolves... or the cobbler. Thanks for the great game, everyone! Eomer, the wolves of the previous villages are proud to welcome you to the VIP Club of Victorious Werewolves! Firefoot, excellent modding! __________________ Fenris Wolf

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