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Encaitare · 08-10-2005, 05:41 PM

I finished lesson 8 last night, and what I am finding the hardest is remembering how to form the different tenses. The vocabulary is not too hard for me because I remember a lot of the words from Quenya poems like Markirya.

I started lesson 9, but the whole thing with the negatives and the infinitive started to confuse me. I think I'll spend some time letting it all sink in so I can actually remember the tenses and such.

Lhunardawen · 08-11-2005, 12:52 AM

tgwbs, so what you (I mean we) have to be doing to compose a Quenya poem is to think it up first in English, then translate it to Quenya? We are ignorant, yess, preciouss. We've never created poemsess in an un-native language before.

the guy who be short · 08-11-2005, 03:27 PM

Congratulations Enca for getting further than me so very quickly.

I can't yet use the first person, so:
TGWBS laita Encaitare.

Lhunatic: I'm trying to put a very specific peace of prose into poetic form, so yes, I think in English first and then translate. However, as I'm going for the rhyming effect, once I do one line, I have to search for something in context to rhyme with it.

Incidentally, the reverse Quenya wordlist isn't as up to date (is that all one word...?) as the normal wordlists, so I'd advise carefully checking any words you find there with another wordlist before you use it.

*Wanders off*

Durelin · 08-11-2005, 04:58 PM

Congrats, Enca!

The good Captain and I have gotten behind. Namely because I have a summer project I need to get done by Monday, which I of course waited to start until...well, a few days ago.

Just for reference, I'm assuming the poems are going to be 'free verse', since going too far on structure when we're learning a new language would just be whacky. About how long of a poem do you think we should go for? I think we can do better than a Haiku (not that I have anything against them), but I'm not thinking 50 lines or anything...

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Originally Posted by tgwbs

Oddly enough, the only thing Kath and I are finding difficult is memorising vocabulary. There just seems to be so much of it...

This might sound very grammar school, but vocab cards really do help.

-Dury the bored

Joy · 08-11-2005, 08:09 PM

I would love to join

I used to study Quenya all the time, but due to health and family concerns, I had to stop. It has been over a year since I have even been to this site.

Encaitare · 08-11-2005, 09:35 PM

Thanks, TGWBS and Durelin.

I've progressed pretty quickly only because I really have nothing to do in the wee hours of the morn.

And welcome back, Joy!

the guy who be short · 08-12-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Durelinwen

Just for reference, I'm assuming the poems are going to be 'free verse', since going too far on structure when we're learning a new language would just be whacky. About how long of a poem do you think we should go for? I think we can do better than a Haiku (not that I have anything against them), but I'm not thinking 50 lines or anything...

"Poetry competition" means just that - any poetry will be accepted. It's not up to me to set limits to your creativity, is it now? Personally, I think a Haiku would actually be quite difficult - you have to squeeze so much in! Free verse will be accepted, of course, as will anything else (I'm aiming for one rhyming poem [started] and one metric poem, but I'm often told I'm nuts.

).
As for length, again, whatever you want. Even two lines can be startlingly beautiful. There'll be no limits either way. My poem is becoming epic length startlingly quickly though (not a very good thing if I aim to keep people interested!).

Joy: Firstly, welcome back! I'm a fellow returner, I came back a few months ago. It's truly great getting to know all the new people (most of whom have more posts than me, actually, but I shall call them new nonetheless...).
If you're interested in finding a Quenya study buddy, please check this thread. Alternatively, if you prefer to work by yourself, just let me know and you can start straight away.

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Originally Posted by Encaitare

I've progressed pretty quickly only because I really have nothing to do in the wee hours of the morn.

I wish I could think of something witty to say but, as I can't, I'll just settle for a "When do you sleep, lass!?!"

08-11-2005, 12:52 AM	#2
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	tgwbs, so what you (I mean we) have to be doing to compose a Quenya poem is to think it up first in English, then translate it to Quenya? We are ignorant, yess, preciouss. We've never created poemsess in an un-native language before. Last edited by Lhunardawen; 08-11-2005 at 01:00 AM.

08-11-2005, 08:09 PM	#5
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	I would love to join I used to study Quenya all the time, but due to health and family concerns, I had to stop. It has been over a year since I have even been to this site. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

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08-10-2005, 05:41 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	I finished lesson 8 last night, and what I am finding the hardest is remembering how to form the different tenses. The vocabulary is not too hard for me because I remember a lot of the words from Quenya poems like Markirya. I started lesson 9, but the whole thing with the negatives and the infinitive started to confuse me. I think I'll spend some time letting it all sink in so I can actually remember the tenses and such.

08-11-2005, 03:27 PM	#3
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Congratulations Enca for getting further than me so very quickly. I can't yet use the first person, so: TGWBS laita Encaitare. Lhunatic: I'm trying to put a very specific peace of prose into poetic form, so yes, I think in English first and then translate. However, as I'm going for the rhyming effect, once I do one line, I have to search for something in context to rhyme with it. Incidentally, the reverse Quenya wordlist isn't as up to date (is that all one word...?) as the normal wordlists, so I'd advise carefully checking any words you find there with another wordlist before you use it. Wanders off

08-11-2005, 09:35 PM	#6
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Thanks, TGWBS and Durelin. I've progressed pretty quickly only because I really have nothing to do in the wee hours of the morn. And welcome back, Joy!