The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Valesse · 08-13-2005, 01:05 AM

Just a side note before I actually say anything which might make a lick of sense pretaining to the current discussion: When I first came to this forum I read the thread title as "The Warg and Warg Rider Application Thread" and thought "YES!!" vehemently. The End.

It really depends on how you break up the word in your mind, I think. To some people it could be W-arg (who tend to pronounce it closer to the word "rag" for some reason... oddly enough thats me.) and to others War-g ("worg")... then theres the Wa-rg qroup which... Well I don't claim to know how that would even sound .. Wah-er-gh? or Wah-er-gee? : |

SamwiseGamgee · 08-13-2005, 04:16 AM

Welcome, Valesse, to this, the Greatest Thread of All Time! I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who once said:

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Wargs are great, guys. In fact, so great that I can think of nothing better to discuss!

Well there you have it, eh? So, Wah-ar-gee? That sounds suspisciously like Wargy- and my goodness, that's a whole different story!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-13-2005, 07:19 AM

A welcome to all who have joined the Thread recently: that's CaptainofDespair, Bethberry and Valesse.

What we should really be asking ourselves is this: What do the Wargs call themselves? The Hobbit suggests that the Wargs had their own wicked tongue indecipherable to Bilbo Baggins. What I want to know is whether this was truly the Warg's language or whether it was some sort of hideous local dialect. The wicked Wargs' 'Ned tongue' to the True Wargs' perfect English, if you see what I'm saying.

Maybe the Wargs could not care less about our pronounciation of the word 'Warg'. Thoughts?

By the way, 11th page? I think we all deserve hearty congratulations for the continued success of The Appreciation Thread.

A toast!

Valesse · 08-13-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Hobbit suggests that the Wargs had their own wicked tongue indecipherable to Bilbo Baggins...The wicked Wargs' 'Ned tongue' to the True Wargs' perfect English

...Maybe the Wargs could not care less about our pronounciation of the word 'Warg'. Thoughts?

Whoa! Revolutionary thought there. It could be very possible that Wargs have several different languages depending on what situations they are in or the area. Unfortunately I haven't had much exposure to wargs

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-14-2005, 02:00 AM

A hearty congratulations to all!

Cousin Eomer, from what I recall the Wargs use the tongue of the people they are with, as they are quick to learn languages and are loath to teach their own secret tongue to other races.

Those who have earned the trust of the Wargs and have mastered the tongue were the same people who have earned the title of "Warg" (or "Werewarg"), and have become the wisest and fairest of the Children of Ilúvatar during their time. Perhaps, the tongue of the Wargs came from the very speech of the Allfather himself, conferring his wisdom on those who have persevered to learn it. Surely, the wisdom of the Wargs must have a source no less than the One.

Just a theory.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-14-2005, 05:58 AM

It is true that Wargs have mastered every tongue in Arda and beyond. Those naïve Dwarves.....

I have heard that it was actually the Wargs who awoke the Ents. The official stance is, of course, that the Elves performed this amazing feat. But bear in mind that the Elves and the Wargs have at times been bitter rivals, and that the Elves also manipulated the Halflings and their account of history. This is where we get The Hobbit et al from.

After all, what is Canonicity?

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SamwiseGamgee · 08-14-2005, 04:26 PM

Oh, Eomer, how very avant-garde and subjective of you! But you do raise a perfectly valid point: how can we lovers of all things Wargish ever truly trust something which many other Downers may call canon? I don't know that we can truly trust it. I definitely remember having given time on this great thread to the argument that The Red Book was in fact a cleverly worked propoganda piece designed cleverly and subtly to subvert Wargs and all their glorious ways. That may not rest comfortably with many, but I feel more and more compelled each and every day to give the argument credit.

One final comment on the 11th page: it is especially cool because on the ME Mirth contents page at has pages '1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10...Last Page'. Our pages are so great that they can no longer be numbered! Cool, huh?

08-13-2005, 01:05 AM	#1
Valesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: \|Away Posts: 614	Just a side note before I actually say anything which might make a lick of sense pretaining to the current discussion: When I first came to this forum I read the thread title as "The Warg and Warg Rider Application Thread" and thought "YES!!" vehemently. The End. It really depends on how you break up the word in your mind, I think. To some people it could be W-arg (who tend to pronounce it closer to the word "rag" for some reason... oddly enough thats me.) and to others War-g ("worg")... then theres the Wa-rg qroup which... Well I don't claim to know how that would even sound .. Wah-er-gh? or Wah-er-gee? : \| __________________ "Loo, what sholde a man in thyse dayes now wryte, 'egges' or 'eyren'?" - Caxton, Eneydos

08-13-2005, 07:19 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	A welcome to all who have joined the Thread recently: that's CaptainofDespair, Bethberry and Valesse. What we should really be asking ourselves is this: What do the Wargs call themselves? The Hobbit suggests that the Wargs had their own wicked tongue indecipherable to Bilbo Baggins. What I want to know is whether this was truly the Warg's language or whether it was some sort of hideous local dialect. The wicked Wargs' 'Ned tongue' to the True Wargs' perfect English, if you see what I'm saying. Maybe the Wargs could not care less about our pronounciation of the word 'Warg'. Thoughts? By the way, 11th page? I think we all deserve hearty congratulations for the continued success of The Appreciation Thread. A toast! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 08-13-2005 at 07:21 AM. Reason: No chainsaw-wielding bear can get that information from me...

08-14-2005, 02:00 AM	#5
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	11 pages! A hearty congratulations to all! Cousin Eomer, from what I recall the Wargs use the tongue of the people they are with, as they are quick to learn languages and are loath to teach their own secret tongue to other races. Those who have earned the trust of the Wargs and have mastered the tongue were the same people who have earned the title of "Warg" (or "Werewarg"), and have become the wisest and fairest of the Children of Ilúvatar during their time. Perhaps, the tongue of the Wargs came from the very speech of the Allfather himself, conferring his wisdom on those who have persevered to learn it. Surely, the wisdom of the Wargs must have a source no less than the One. Just a theory. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-14-2005, 05:58 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It is true that Wargs have mastered every tongue in Arda and beyond. Those naïve Dwarves..... I have heard that it was actually the Wargs who awoke the Ents. The official stance is, of course, that the Elves performed this amazing feat. But bear in mind that the Elves and the Wargs have at times been bitter rivals, and that the Elves also manipulated the Halflings and their account of history. This is where we get The Hobbit et al from. After all, what is Canonicity? ( ) __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-14-2005, 04:26 PM	#7
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Oh, Eomer, how very avant-garde and subjective of you! But you do raise a perfectly valid point: how can we lovers of all things Wargish ever truly trust something which many other Downers may call canon? I don't know that we can truly trust it. I definitely remember having given time on this great thread to the argument that The Red Book was in fact a cleverly worked propoganda piece designed cleverly and subtly to subvert Wargs and all their glorious ways. That may not rest comfortably with many, but I feel more and more compelled each and every day to give the argument credit. One final comment on the 11th page: it is especially cool because on the ME Mirth contents page at has pages '1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10...Last Page'. Our pages are so great that they can no longer be numbered! Cool, huh? __________________ -- Well, I'm back.

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