The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A welcome to all who have joined the Thread recently: that's CaptainofDespair, Bethberry and Valesse.

What we should really be asking ourselves is this: What do the Wargs call themselves? The Hobbit suggests that the Wargs had their own wicked tongue indecipherable to Bilbo Baggins. What I want to know is whether this was truly the Warg's language or whether it was some sort of hideous local dialect. The wicked Wargs' 'Ned tongue' to the True Wargs' perfect English, if you see what I'm saying.

Maybe the Wargs could not care less about our pronounciation of the word 'Warg'. Thoughts?

By the way, 11th page? I think we all deserve hearty congratulations for the continued success of The Appreciation Thread. A toast!

[Valesse]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Hobbit suggests that the Wargs had their own wicked tongue indecipherable to Bilbo Baggins...The wicked Wargs' 'Ned tongue' to the True Wargs' perfect English

...Maybe the Wargs could not care less about our pronounciation of the word 'Warg'. Thoughts?

Whoa! Revolutionary thought there. It could be very possible that Wargs have several different languages depending on what situations they are in or the area. Unfortunately I haven't had much exposure to wargs

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A hearty congratulations to all!

Cousin Eomer, from what I recall the Wargs use the tongue of the people they are with, as they are quick to learn languages and are loath to teach their own secret tongue to other races.

Those who have earned the trust of the Wargs and have mastered the tongue were the same people who have earned the title of "Warg" (or "Werewarg"), and have become the wisest and fairest of the Children of Ilúvatar during their time. Perhaps, the tongue of the Wargs came from the very speech of the Allfather himself, conferring his wisdom on those who have persevered to learn it. Surely, the wisdom of the Wargs must have a source no less than the One.

Just a theory.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It is true that Wargs have mastered every tongue in Arda and beyond. Those naïve Dwarves.....

I have heard that it was actually the Wargs who awoke the Ents. The official stance is, of course, that the Elves performed this amazing feat. But bear in mind that the Elves and the Wargs have at times been bitter rivals, and that the Elves also manipulated the Halflings and their account of history. This is where we get The Hobbit et al from.

After all, what is Canonicity?

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[SamwiseGamgee]

Oh, Eomer, how very avant-garde and subjective of you! But you do raise a perfectly valid point: how can we lovers of all things Wargish ever truly trust something which many other Downers may call canon? I don't know that we can truly trust it. I definitely remember having given time on this great thread to the argument that The Red Book was in fact a cleverly worked propoganda piece designed cleverly and subtly to subvert Wargs and all their glorious ways. That may not rest comfortably with many, but I feel more and more compelled each and every day to give the argument credit.

One final comment on the 11th page: it is especially cool because on the ME Mirth contents page at has pages '1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10...Last Page'. Our pages are so great that they can no longer be numbered! Cool, huh?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't think the Wargs cared for the canon, or for history, for that matter. As Mauan, son of Huan (yes, he was a Warg) once put it:

[Mauan: ]We are not concerned with history, with the past ages of Arda; for to our care was given all the notes and chords of the Music, to keep in order until it has reached the fullness of its measure and our Lord comes to cleanse it.

This is also the first time a Warg has mentioned "our Lord", or, as scholars name it, "The Lord of the Wargs." Many say that this refers Argwë, brother of Varsur, the Viceregent of the Timeless Halls under Eru himself; in which case the "fullness of its measure" refers to that future time when Varsur and Melkor shall forcibly open the Door of Night and enter the World.

What do you think?

[High King Fingolfin]

Nay, the Wargs are concerned only with the vast music of Illuvatar. That is their higher calling, the reason that Wargs are held so wonderful in the first place.