The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A hearty congratulations to all!

Cousin Eomer, from what I recall the Wargs use the tongue of the people they are with, as they are quick to learn languages and are loath to teach their own secret tongue to other races.

Those who have earned the trust of the Wargs and have mastered the tongue were the same people who have earned the title of "Warg" (or "Werewarg"), and have become the wisest and fairest of the Children of Ilúvatar during their time. Perhaps, the tongue of the Wargs came from the very speech of the Allfather himself, conferring his wisdom on those who have persevered to learn it. Surely, the wisdom of the Wargs must have a source no less than the One.

Just a theory.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It is true that Wargs have mastered every tongue in Arda and beyond. Those naïve Dwarves.....

I have heard that it was actually the Wargs who awoke the Ents. The official stance is, of course, that the Elves performed this amazing feat. But bear in mind that the Elves and the Wargs have at times been bitter rivals, and that the Elves also manipulated the Halflings and their account of history. This is where we get The Hobbit et al from.

After all, what is Canonicity?

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[SamwiseGamgee]

Oh, Eomer, how very avant-garde and subjective of you! But you do raise a perfectly valid point: how can we lovers of all things Wargish ever truly trust something which many other Downers may call canon? I don't know that we can truly trust it. I definitely remember having given time on this great thread to the argument that The Red Book was in fact a cleverly worked propoganda piece designed cleverly and subtly to subvert Wargs and all their glorious ways. That may not rest comfortably with many, but I feel more and more compelled each and every day to give the argument credit.

One final comment on the 11th page: it is especially cool because on the ME Mirth contents page at has pages '1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10...Last Page'. Our pages are so great that they can no longer be numbered! Cool, huh?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't think the Wargs cared for the canon, or for history, for that matter. As Mauan, son of Huan (yes, he was a Warg) once put it:

[Mauan: ]We are not concerned with history, with the past ages of Arda; for to our care was given all the notes and chords of the Music, to keep in order until it has reached the fullness of its measure and our Lord comes to cleanse it.

This is also the first time a Warg has mentioned "our Lord", or, as scholars name it, "The Lord of the Wargs." Many say that this refers Argwë, brother of Varsur, the Viceregent of the Timeless Halls under Eru himself; in which case the "fullness of its measure" refers to that future time when Varsur and Melkor shall forcibly open the Door of Night and enter the World.

What do you think?

[High King Fingolfin]

Nay, the Wargs are concerned only with the vast music of Illuvatar. That is their higher calling, the reason that Wargs are held so wonderful in the first place.

[Kath]

Just a quick off-topic note here. Having been in Spain for the last two weeks I am sad to report that I neither saw nor heard of any Wargs or Warg activity. However, I believe that this may be because I was in a very touristy area, and no self-respecting Warg would put themselves in the way of digital/video cameras and small, squealing children - at least not without attacking some of them. We did go to a few more remote places but again I saw hide nor hair of those magnificent beasts.

I wonder though whether the old history of bull-fighting in Spain might have some connection with the Wargs as there is often mention of a bull that could not be killed and that cut down many of the matadors as they tried to fight it. Anyone know if this could be a valid theory?

[SamwiseGamgee]

Well, Kath, your pain must be considerable. And after Eomer gave such a glowing report from Madrid. Your vitriol must be huge! I give you permission to direct general viciousness at the horsemaster. It will help the healing process, I'm sure.

Oh, aren't Wargs great!