Werewolf IIX - Tra la la lally, here down in the Saga, ha ha!

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Well, yes. I miss CaptainofDespair's presence among us very much.

::Glares back at SPM::

Now that's a cheap shot! Just like the one with which you launched your sloppy and undercooked custard pies.

You have talked much recently, and yet little you say goes towards assuaging my suspicions of you. And it seems that you were instrumental in our noble Shirriff's decision to reveal himself.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Yet we have no clear idea how to flush one out with any confidence. That's why I say get the wolves. ... unless you have a really good sense for the werebear.

Well, you're my only real suspect at the moment. But, as it happens, I agree that there is probably much more to go on as far as the Wolves are concerned. I just don't think we should take our eyes of the Bear-ball while we are looking for Wolves. And it's worth bearing (no pun intended) in mind that the Beorning wants the Wolves dead too.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Judge my words versus arcticstorm's

Indeed we will.

(There we are, that's my cheap shot in return. )

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

As a matter of fact, SPM, you seem to have a blind spot about Boromir, because he did NOT appear on your post # 200 list of those who had voted for both Mithalwen and CoD. That could be seen as suspicious, but I believe it is merely an error because you have yet to seriously suspect Boromir.

It was not an error. My list, concerning who might be Wolves, comprised those who voted for Mithalwen when her fate was either sealed or pretty much so and who voted for CaptainofDespair. Boromir88 voted fourth for Mithalwen - putting her one vote ahead of Gurthang. Does anybody really think that one Wolf would vote for another in those circumstances on the first Day? I don't have a blind spot for Boromir88. I just find it extremely unlikely that he's a Wolf. I have not, however, discounted the possibility of him being a Bear.

Originally Posted by dancing spawn

I don't know if you are entirely serious with your accusations (I notice that many are happily climbing the bandwagon, though) but I'm going to defend myself a little.

I'm not accusing you as such. I just want to know why it is that you seem so innocent in my mind. You make some interesting points in your defence, so I'm glad that you took the time to set it out.

Originally Posted by dancing spawn

SpM's suspicion of me is based on his belief that one or two wolves voted for CoD yesterday. When he had decided that, he had just to finger at the voting list of day1 so it would support his view. Simple yet not very accurate (sorry).

I have explained the basis for the list (on which I included myself). No, it's not very accurate, but studying voting patterns is one of the few things that we have to go on at the moment. And it did not support my view as far as you are concerned since I was at that time (and still am) loathe to suspect you.

Originally Posted by arcticstorm

I was hoping not to have to reveal this today, yet with two people seriously considering me to be a wolf, at least one of whom may be able to convince people to join his cause. I must now reveal myself to be the other sherriff.

I am sorry that you were forced into revealing yourself, arcticstorm. But it does restore my faith somewhat in my own judgement (after the CaptainofDespair fiasco) as I had an idea that you were the second Shirriff. I noticed that you and Firefoot mildly defended each other on the first two Days and I have never really harboured any serious suspicion of you. But now that you are revealed, I would greatly like to hear your further thoughts on our predicament.

Originally Posted by litlemanpoet

So SPM thinks I'm a Bear and Boromir thinks I'm a wolf.

I am fairly certain that LMP is not a Wolf, whatever he may be.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

But PLEASE, people, look at the cases against EVERY VILLAGER. Don't get sucked into a latest fad of who's guilty and who's not.

I agree with that. I most certainly do not go along with what anyone says uncritically. But we do have a decision to make today and so I for one welcome everyone setting out their views concerning our foes. In those circumstances, it is natural (and indeed beneficial if we are not to lynch more than one of our number) that a degree of consensus will form.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

It's just that Gil-galad seems frankly too nonchalant to even care about being a werewolf or not. Maybe he's a wolf putting on a narcissistic act, but if he is, I guess he's got me so far convinced.

I'm with you on that one.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

These mistakes could be simply that: mistakes. Yet they also look like twisting words; something a wolf would do. I kind of think it was just mistakes, but I am watching you because of the above statements.

Yes, he made a mistake with my list too (see above). By themselves they don't mean much, but it seems to me that a number of things are beginning to stack up as far as LMP is concerned.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

It's not inconceivable that Lmp had the same suspicion as I did about arcticstorm and set about flushing him out on purpose with his accusations. Ho hum.

There's another. I agree that it most certainly is not beyond the bounds of possibilty.

[Nonnacedak]

SamwiseGamgee your plan is very inventive I must admit but I say we not move on to something about a supposed known to everyone innocent(I say supposed cuz I guess Arctic could possibly be lying but that I highly doubt.).

We should stay on the Wolf hunt for now because we dont need something new for the wolves to hide under and argue about. I am not sure who to vote for at the moment so I would like to keep talking about those suspicious to help my stumped self out.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Gurthang

I am still suspicious of Durelin. She explained herself a little yesterday, but now I see her quick vote(yesterday) for Saucepan Man. That vote smells like an attempted start at a bandwagon.

A bandwagon? There was too much suspicion around CoD for me to convince anyone otherwise. The bandwagoning against CoD had already begun, and there was no stopping it.

arcticstorm the other Shirrif? Well, if he is not lying, then he will be killed tonight anyway. If he is lying, then he will not. Thus tomorrow we'll know if he's lying or not. Perhaps not for sure, but we'll have a better idea.

Originally Posted by The Pan Man

Actually, I think that your comment yester-Day is probably nearer the mark:

I think you're right.

Boromir88 is my prime suspect to be a wolf or the bear. Particularly the bear. He helped greatly in getting CoD lynched, though rather subtly, and not being the leader of the accusations. I'm wondering what he's trying to say here:

However, my vote for him was not in an attempt to start a bandwagon (there were other purposes which I wish not to reveal).

The two L's are suspects for wolves as well, due to their relative quietness, and their voting. Lalaith was the last to vote for CoD, Lataine voted for me, perhaps to separate herself from Lalaith, or just because she thought CoD was innocent (which he was). I'm not sure about these two.

Dancing Spawn is someone I will keep my eye on as a possible wolf, as her vote for CoD was very well timed.

I'm not sure about Gurthang either. He says he is still suspicious of me, though I was not a part of the lynching of CoD. I know this does not completely assure anyone that I am innocent, but I'd like to hear more from Gurthang as to why he is suspicious of me.

I think Gil-Galad is the Cobbler, and is too brash to be a wolf. Or he is simply the usual confused innocent villager

Most of this has already been said by others, but I thought I should voice my own suspicions, that are mostly based upon others' posts. Sorry for my absence. And again, I am forced to depart before the end of this day, and thus I must vote at this point. (It's about 9:45pm here, and Day will end at 8 am. Sorry, that's too early for me. )

++Boromir88

Sorry, he's the best shot I can think of. Someone might as well start the voting. I hope no one will consider this an attempt to bandwagon. Obviously everyone should vote for who they think is guilty. This would be a very sorry attempt at bandwagoning, anyway....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

Here's a crazy plan I literally just thought of which may just be crazy enough to work: we lynch articstorm.

Wha- !!??

No no and thrice no!

Two things:

1. Arcticstorm is not bluffing. The record backs him up. If he was, then the real Shirriff would step forward and declare themselves. I severely doubt that anyone will.

2. If we lynched arcticstorm, we would almost certainly guarantee the death of two innocents in the place of one. The Wolves would be able to choose another to kill in his place, and it's unlikely that it would be the Bear. It might even be the Seer. If we don't lynch arcticstorm, we have a shot at one of the Wolves or the Bear to-Day.

No, let's not go there. 'Tis a silly plan.

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

... you'll probably lynch me for even suggesting it

On the contrary, I actually think that it speaks in your favour. I don't believe you to be a Wolf because of your vote for Mithalwen. And your plan not the sort of thing that the Bear would propose as, if we lynch arcticstorm, there is a greater risk that the Wolves will kill him/her to-Night.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hows about this for a crazy plan - let's lynch everybody except arcticstorm ...

[Meneltarmacil]

*continueth to wipe ye custarde pie off face*

I'm not really convinced aboute anyone at this pointe. Gil-Galad is stille ye higheste on Ye Olde Liste (thoughe I'm eyeing Boromir88 with some suspicione now), so I'll probably vote for him in aboute 20 minutes unlesse something better turneth up.

[SamwiseGamgee]

You couldn't do it. It doesn't work mathematically. There's always going to be someone with two votes. That is on the assumption that silence works as a vote for yourself.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

It doesn't work mathematically. There's always going to be someone with two votes. That is on the assumption that silence works as a vote for yourself.

No, silence doesn't register as a vote at all. But if everyone but arcticstorm were to vote for themselves ...

I'm only half serious, but it's a thought.

Well, I'm off to take my daily nap (ie I'm off for the night). I will vote later to-Day (ie tomorrow).

I will sign off with my conclusions from the proceedings to date.

I believe that the two Wolves are to be found among the following group (in order of suspicion):

Lalaith
Laitaine
Gil-Galad
Durelin
dancing spawn

The Cobbler may be on that list too (but not necessarily). If so, then Durelin and Gil-Galad are the most likely candidates.

As for the Bear, well LMP remains my prime suspect. But I am not sufficiently convinced at the moment. There are still a fair few who might be the Black Beorning. Despite the benefits of bagging the Bear, it's probably better that we focus on trying to catch a Wolf today - unless, of course, further evidence comes to light.

The reasoning for the above is scattered throughout my posts. I'm not repeating them all again here. So there!

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I have to *ahem* "leave ye village hexagon" in a few minutes and don't really feele like getting up after all ye other votes are in, so I'll juste vote like I saide earlier.

++Gil-Galad

Now to set ye Beare and Wolfe trappes arounde my fortified manor house...

[wilwarin538]

I have to go to sleep and really don't want to get up early tomorrow. But I'm afraid I can't vote today. I am still suspicious of certain people but not enough to vote for any one. I will hopefully wake tomorrow to the death of a werewolf or bear.

(my reasons for not voting are the same as they were on day one)

[Laitaine]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

And your plan not the sort of thing that the Bear would propose as, if we lynch arcticstorm, there is a greater risk that the Wolves will kill him/her to-Night.

Not true, my friend--the Werebear really would be quite protected
If Arctic’s lynched, he wouldn’t have to worry ‘bout being detected.
He’d live to see another day and kill another night
And isn’t it the rule that Beorning wins in werewolf fight?

Aside from that, I do agree with everything you've said.
Arctic is the Sheriff, but tomorrow likely dead.

The time is drawing near, friends, for me to cast my vote
Today, it is most complex to consider all you've wrote.
There is little strange behavior going round our hapless town,
And I sincerely don't want to look like an evil clown.

But friends, today is difficult, there's little proof to see.
I'll have to go by my best guess--it's not great, believe me.
So far, the only people I've seen act suspiciously:
Gil-galad and Non, both too quiet and very vague too me.

Gil has written such a lack, it's really hard to know
And Non has seemed to bent on telling us that he's no foe.
Out of the two, Gil just seems a rather bumbling fool

(no offense)

But Non has spent far too much time telling us he's cool.
And "cool," of course, means "innocent"--but I am not convinced.
I think you may just be the one who had our Firefoot minced.
Or maybe you are the Black Beorning and you work alone,
Whatever fiend that you might be, I think it's time you're owned!

I realize that's a switch for me--from B]Durelin[/B] to Non,
But Durelin's not spoke much today--my choosing her'd be wrong.
Again, it's simply my best guess that I follow today...but...
I will wait till later to see what you others say.

*plays recorder in subdued tone, looking around suspiciously*