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I guess that's him. All mouth and no brain. I'd prefer meeting the Ear of Sauron. He wouldn't mouth off at me, and he'd just listen to my demands. And when he's done listening, I can have the satisfaction of hearing Legolas say :" Look! The messenger only has ears! ". You'd think I'd react with a
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'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.' |
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Prior to WW1 wars were seen as a "Gentleman's war." With rules that each side followed because it was considered the honorable way to fight. Directors of Troy, Braveheart, Gladiator, King Arthur...etc all show they understood this concept. You can't kill a messenger. If the MoS was using words to defeat people then Aragorn needs to use words back to send him away cowering, like Tolkien shows. Clearly stated within the books (as well as Kuru's sig), he could not be assailed. No matter how vile, low, or cruel the MoS may have stooped with his words, you can't kill a messenger. He's not there to fight, he's there to deliver terms and may not be assailed. Let me take some common day examples. I don't know what it's like in England but in the US if someone breaks in your house you can't kill them and say it's self defense. You may only use a force equal to that of the attacker. So if a guy breaks in your house, there's no fear for your life, he has no weapon, no fear that he's there to kill you just rob you, you can't kill him and claim self-defense. Now if he had a gun and he was pointing it at you, then of course you are afraid he's going to kill you and therefor can take the proper action in defending yourself. So, it's this concept that you can only use the amount of force that is equal to that of the attacker. Even without this, still the bottomline is you can't kill a messenger. In this case, the MoS was using word, Aragorn can use words back. I prefer the banter that went on to the three seconds of talking and "off with your head."
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'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.' |
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Essex, England
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Boromir your point
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He was NOT a messenger, nor there to Parley. Therefore, off with his head! |
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When the Mouth addresses Aragon, Gandalf, and the others, in the film, he begins by asking "Is there any in this route with authority to treat with me?". To treat as defined below is a term for negotiating.
Treat- to negotiate terms- intransitive verb to negotiate, especially in order to reach a settlement Thus the was there to negotate and not just to fling insults. So there was really no reason to kill him. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Somewhere in the woods looking for a place to recharge my laptop's battery.
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This has probably already been said, but if you watch the EE of RotK. You'll find the Mouth of Sauron there.
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Join Date: May 2006
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As far as I know, the Mouth of Sauron was the messenger of Sauron himself AND the lieutenent of the Dark Tower (Barad Dur). He is not slayed in the books, although he is in the movie by Aragorn. In the books, he refers to himself as an ambassador who may not be attacked.
This whole scene happens at the Black Gate when Aragorn leads the host of the west into Mordor to bide time for Frodo and Sam to destroy the Ring. Hope this helps! ![]() |
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