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Old 09-23-2005, 12:49 PM   #1
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Aragorn son of Arathorn
Gimli son of Gloin
Then Leggy - Legolas of the woodland realm - no mention of a father.
How many elves have "Name son/daughter of Name"? They go by "Name of Place or by attach a title to their name.
Men and Dwarves require this because they are mortal, they die eventually. Elves live forever, so there's not much of a chance that there will be fifty thousand other elves that share their name.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:28 PM   #2
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...disseminating a wee bit of propaganda. Those of you who plan to vote or have voted for Thranduil, take a minute to peruse this well-written and readable essay-

http://henneth-annun.net/stories/cha...56&SPOrdinal=1

By voting for Thranduil, you are following a stereotype trod by thousands of Legolas fangirls, demonising the "evil father"; and neglecting the evidence in the Hobbit and the LOTR appendices, which definitely settles on Thranduil being a good, even great king. Remember also that he was the last Elvenking on Middle-earth; truly the last whose realm was free, if not "fair and free", of ancient Sindarin race and great practical abilities.

You are also rejecting the closest Tolkien's Elves come to a truly beautiful and chilling piece of our folklore; the fay wood-dwellers, the Hunters of the forests, in a word, the elfin-court, as celebrated in its marvellous, terrifying brilliance in ballads like Tam Lin:

"I used to go out hunting
But I fell from my horse one day.
The Queen of Fairies captured me
And in their land I must stay.


"The faerie land is a pleasant place
But there's a darker side as well.
At the end of every seven years
They make a sacrifice to hell.


Later on:

The faerie horses came riding by
In the middle of the night
And some were black and some were brown
But Tam Lin's was milk-white.


She pulled him down from off his horse
With her arms around his shape.
The faerie court gave an angry yell
"Tam Lin is trying to escape!"


And:

At last he was himself again
So she wrapped him in her cloak.
She was rejoicing in her victory
When the Queen of Faeries spoke.


"If I had know, Tam Lin," she says
"that you were up to no good
I'd have taken out your green eyes
and put in eyes of wood."


"If I had known, Tam Lin," she says
"you would have always been alone!
For I'd have taken out your mortal heart
And put in a heart of stone."


Incredible, heartrending, poetic tradition; represented by Thranduil the Elvenking. I entreat you all, if you are swayed, change your votes to Gollum.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:34 PM   #3
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By voting for Thranduil, you are following a stereotype trod by thousands of Legolas fangirls, demonising the "evil father"; and neglecting the evidence in the Hobbit and the LOTR appendices, which definitely settles on Thranduil being a good, even great king. Remember also that he was the last Elvenking on Middle-earth; truly the last whose realm was free, if not "fair and free", of ancient Sindarin race and great practical abilities.
Is that any less a reason to ly... er... ship him off the island? What need do they have of a loving father now that they have killed... er shipped off his progeny? For that matter, what need to they have of fair and free Elvenkings?

Furthermore, as the evidence of Tolkien's work will show, Thranduil has clearly been spreading anti-Dwarven xenophobia. The Elves and the Dwarves are both small, non-human tribes as of now, and really ought to be working together against that insidious menace which is everyone else...

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You are also rejecting the closest Tolkien's Elves come to a truly beautiful and chilling piece of our folklore; the fay wood-dwellers, the Hunters of the forests, in a word, the elfin-court, as celebrated in its marvellous, terrifying brilliance in ballads like Tam Lin:
Beautiful and chilling? Fay wood-dwellers? Marvelous, terrifying brilliance?

Allow me to remind me you of the true meanings of "chilling", "fay", and "terrifying". Basically, you are saying that you want to save a cold, crazy, and scary Elflord? At least Gollum's down-to-earth...
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:39 PM   #4
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If you insist on cheapening this, then I would argue that a "cold, scary, crazy Elf-Lord" "makes better TV" than some inarticulate product of the grimy Hobbit underclass.

Besides, with poor Celeborn gone, there's every chance of illicit romance with Galadriel...what gets better viewing than that?
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:49 PM   #5
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WOW!!! People are really starting to get on each others last nerves!! I think we should have a BD Survivor!! Oh!! Right. We have that already..... I never knew that what me and Folwren started would bring this much fun and rivlary and so much competitiveness!!! Awsome!!!

What has Eowyn done? She never did any harm! She helped us be rid of that stupid evil Witch-King!! Now if that isn't an accomplishment in life, than I don't know what is.
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Old 09-23-2005, 02:22 PM   #6
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1420! <-- Found it at Thranduril's!

...I just voted for him because he's hogging the wine...
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