WWJ I: A New Saga, A New Beginning... Or Is IT!?!?!? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Sleepy Ranger · 10-08-2005, 05:42 AM

Damn it! This was totally unexpected. This proves every single one of my theories wrong! Malak should be the next one to go. As for the third wolf... with Gurthang and TORE gone we only have Fea to try and get things clear but since she won't be here I guess I'll try my best to get things in order and hopefully we'll have other people come front with other theories, things are gonna get messy now but if we stick together we can see this through.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-08-2005, 06:46 AM

If we assume that Fea is telling the truth. Then the main suspect must be:

1. Malkatoj

2. Thinlomien (first no votes and then Gurthang)

3. Sleepy (might have votet for Bergil not to be attached, he was the first to vote and there for could not know that Bergil would be lynched. This is unlikely thoug!)

Sleepy Ranger · 10-08-2005, 07:10 AM

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3. Sleepy (might have votet for Bergil not to be attached, he was the first to vote and there for could not know that Bergil would be lynched. This is unlikely thoug!)

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent. Anyway seeing how TORE being the seer has caused all my plans to collapse I have come up with a few more things.

Feanor of the Peredhil - Innocent
Jack (aka Folwren) - By the original plan hes to be lynched after Malka but I'm not so sure.
Hiriel - Innocent (?)
Malkatoj - Wolf
Rune Son of Bjarne - Innocent (?)
Thinlomien - Innocent (?). I dunno I suspect her for some reason but I think shes already been proved innocent...

^ Don't go by that just putting it there for no reason...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-08-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent

Yes but so have most people and they to seems to be innocent. The thing is that after TORE's death things have changed.

Eonwe - most likely to be innocent

Feanor of the Peredhil - My theory is built on the fact that she is innocent. . .l

Jack (aka Folwren)- cannot be a wolf since he was attempted murdert.

Hiriel - most likely innocent.

Malkatoj - Wolf

Sleepy Ranger - likely to be inocent, but not sure.

Thinlomien - Suspect has only voted for Gurthang witch all did. . . (yes she did vote first, but it was already at that poiny clear that it would be Gurthang)

P.S. I will leave now, since i have to visit my baby-brother (Born yesterday 3 in the afternoon) before going to see football!

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-08-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Actually I'm not a wolf and this has been discussed before and I dare say most people accept the fact that I'm innocent.

I don't. I never stopped suspecting. But you're lucky that this is going to be my only post all weekend, and I'm in a hurry, so I can't elaborate.

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Fea...I know you can't answer this question, but perhaps voicing it will give the others something to think about...am I correct in thinking that if you protected me two NIGHTS ago, and on that night, the wolves attempted to kill me, I am as proved innocent as though the Seer had dreamt of me and said that I was?

As far as I'm aware. Surely wolves can't kill themselves at night, and since I KNOW that you are the one they tried to kill (yes, you were protected two nights ago), that puts you on the list of known innocents.

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TORE was fooled, Fea is innocent.

TORE can't have been fooled as he dreamt about me and would know I'm Ranger. I find it completely ironic that I accused him of having my role while adopting his. I had assumed he was simply an ordo, at best a Hunter, but never suspected as Seer. Oops. If he hadn't said that one stupid thing about "maybe I'm not the Ranger" he'd be alive right now.

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Wayne was the cobbler, so he knew who were wolves

Untrue.

Finally, as I"m out the door...

++MALKATOJ

Sleepy Ranger · 10-08-2005, 01:24 PM

To start this off we'll have to go back to post#11 where Eonwe states that we should all use logical reasoning.

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anyway, some more stuff. as we go on, could we all give our suspicions of peole and then back them up. so instead of just saying "i don't like how XXXXXX voted." say, "this XXXXXXX is what a wolf would accomplish by voting this way."

Next lets head over to post#20 where Eonwe states that we should vote randomly.

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so yes, i too think random voting will have to do.

And after that he votes for Thinlomien randomly. (#52)

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so lets go everyone. i think i will vote for thin. randomly.

Now lets look at Gurthang's list on Kitanna (#61)

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe - Suspected
Wayne - Cobbler (Dead)
Gurthang - Innocent (Dead)
Thinlómien - Suspected
Folwren - Innocent
Feanor - Ranger

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor - Ranger
Rune - Innocent (?)
Folwren - Innocent
Gurthang - Innocent (Dead)
Hiriel - Suspected

Hmm...Though Eonwe never mentioned Kitanna one of his post was directed at her something having to do with everybody voting (posts #12 and #13).

Perhaps Kitanna was onto something but didn't have a chance to find out? Maybe we should look into this as well...

Another thing I just found out, (Post#124, Bergil vote on Sleepy)

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this is partly for self-preservation I admit, but people don't seem to think Fea is guilty (I'm not even so sure anymore), he might be a wolf and, 1 muinate after he recieved his 1st vote, he responded to Eonwe's innocent statement of

Hmm... Now that Bergil has been found out as a wolf could this mean something? A wolf protecting a wolf perhaps?

IMPORTANT

Post#188 (Eonwe on TORE

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ps. if you weren't/aren't the ranger...

It may be nothing but it does make you think, doesn't it?

Sleepy Ranger · 10-08-2005, 01:44 PM

Many people are finding it hard to believe that I am innocent, while browsing through this thread I have come across something that can prove my innocence, in fact I believe I have come across TORE's third dream.

Lets start off with Post#121-

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In fact, I'm going to go ahead & ask the Seer to please dream of Sleepy Ranger this following NIGHT so that we will know for sure.

Now TORE was the seer, perhaps he is telling us who he will dream off...
Moving on to Post#137-

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Now, I’m beginning to wonder if it wasn’t so smart of me to ask the seer to dream of Sleepy Ranger last night. He/she probably was going to anyway, & now the seer can’t safely leave a hint because the wolves will be all over it.

Is he trying to throw the wolves off him so that he can safely drop a hint? It seems that way.

Now he drops a series of hints to prove my innocence-

Post#146

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Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...

Look closely, is he trying to tell us something other than malk being a wolf?

Post#150

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Sleepy Ranger: Almost definitly innocent. He did seem very flip-flopyish, etc., but yesterday he pretty well convinced me he was just an innocent that got turned around & confused.

There you go. He pretty much said it there.

Post#172

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Sleepy R- Most likely innocent

Hopefully this is enough to prove my innocence. I do believe TORE said it himself.

Hiriel · 10-08-2005, 02:12 PM

Eek. I get on late thinking to find Feanor gone and TORE's logic still among us. This is a gutstaber and no mistake. *sighs* Can't be on long, but here's my thoughts:

Innocents
Feanor: TORE trusted him impicitly, and he's admitted to being the ranger. If we doubt Fea, then we're back to square one.

Jack: Was protected by Fea the night no one died, so long as we trust Fea. Which I do, at any rate. The wolves don't turn on each other, at least not at night. Jack's innocent.

Hiriel: Well, I know I'm innocent, but to prove it the rest of ya'll, I cite that both Fea and TORE (even though Fea did not in fact dream of me, he backed up TORE, who could have) counted me as completely, proven innocent. Why would they do that if they had doubts about me? Why not just say they didn't suspect me at the time? I also tied the vote between Sleepy and Bergil when there were still more votes for Sleepy. If I was a wolf, I could have saved Bergil from the noose. A wolf, while the vote was still up in the air, wouldn't vote for another wolf.

Sleepy Ranger: What clears him in my mind is that he was the first person to vote, and vote correctly for a wolf. Why would he not try to, if he was a wolf, cast suspicion on someone else the whole day? Or use his vote to try and build a bandwagon for one of the innocents? I could understand if it looked as though Bergil was going to be hanged all along and there was not any real hope of saving him, SleepyRanger!Wolf voting for Bergil to save his identity, but I can't see a wolf casting unnessisary suspicion on a fellow wolf who was certainly on people's list, but wasn't likely to be hanged when SR voted. EDIT Also what Sleepy said in defense of himself. I'd forgoten TORE asked the Seer to dream about him.

Probable Innocents:
Rune: He's been very logical the whole game, his voting pattern is pretty solid and he looks to me unwolfish. Now, I haven't seen anything that would clear him entirely, but he's not at all my top suspect. Rune's only quirk is that he keeps gunning for Thinlomien, who I haven't seen much evidence for, one way or the other. I dunno why that is, Rune's not the Seer, but maybe I'm missing something.

Thinlomien: This is gut feeling. I've not seen any damning evidence for Thin, other than the lack of votes. As for those, I accept Thin's reasons why he was confused. Lord knows that could have been me, if I wasn't so bored on Day 1. I've not seen anything to clear Thin entirely, but I'm 70% sure.

Now, that leaves Malkatoj and Eonwe. Eonwe...I'm now about 55% sure that Eonwe's a wolf. All the points SR brought up make sense to me. I'd already had in mind Bergil's assertation of Eonwe's innocence early on. I've just seen less redeeming points on Eonwe's part. He voted late for Bergil, and even though he broke the tie between Sleepy and Bergil, it was pretty clear that Jack ( who voted last) was going to vote for Bergil anyway. Also: TORE voted for Eonwe Day 1. He said it was for completely baseless reasons, however, I doubt TORE did anything in this game that was baseless. He couldn't very well have said, "Um, guys, I had a dream last night that Eonwe was really hairy."

As for Malk, our Seer was sure in counting Malkatoj as a wolf, and I trust TORE. So, even though I might weigh in on whatever comes up later on today, I want to vote early.

++Malkatoj

Sleepy Ranger · 10-08-2005, 02:59 PM

I'm out for the day-

++Malkatoj

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-10-2005, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I don't. I never stopped suspecting. But you're lucky that this is going to be my only post all weekend, and I'm in a hurry, so I can't elaborate.

This is bothering me a great deal.

To Thinlómien: you should not remove all offcouse, since there is no deffinit proof of my innocens. I just got the feeling that you thougt I was innocent, but every time i mentioned you I was suddenly a wolf.

Hiriel seems more likely to be innocent to me.

Eonwe could go either way

I will elaborate when i have time.

Thinlómien · 10-10-2005, 04:38 AM

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To Thinlómien: you should not remove all offcouse, since there is no deffinit proof of my innocens. I just got the feeling that you thougt I was innocent, but every time i mentioned you I was suddenly a wolf.

I'm sorry if you got that impression, it was not my intention.

I suppose we should perhaps lynch Eonwe today.

Sleepy Ranger · 10-10-2005, 05:37 AM

I will most proably vote for Eonwe today. I've stated my reasons before and she put up a weak arguement. Especially the "innocent would give sounder reasoning."
I admit I did not post the entire posts but I did give you the post number for reference. I only posted the parts that would prove my points. As for the Bergil post I am fully aware that he suspected me in that post and supported you. Thats the entire point since hes a wolf... I will most proably vote early today since I doubt I'll be able to come on later.

Eonwe - In my opinion, Wolf
Jack (aka Folwren) - Innocent
Hiriel - Wolf (?)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Innocent (?)
Sleepy Ranger - Innocent
Thinlomien - Innocent (?)

(?) means unsure

Lets see, six people left alive, five innocents, one wolf.
If we lynch Eonwe and she turns out to be innocent we'll be left with three innocents and one wolf after the night. After that I believe Hiriel would be the next best candidate. I say we should lynch Eonwe today unless she
can bring up solid proof of her innocence.

Edit- Eonwe did vote for Bergil during the time when him and I were neck to neck but bear in mind at the time I had 4 votes while Bergil had 3. This was indeed a clever move, voting for Bergil would make it 4-4 but I'd still get lynched because the vote for Bergil came in after mine. And as it was said in Eonwe's post, only 15 minutes to go and she proably assumed that nobody else would vote. Jack's post was completely unexpected and I guess I got lucky because it was a cross-post and Eonwe won the race. Had Jack managed to get his post in before Eonwe I daresay I wouldn't be here right now.

10-08-2005, 02:12 PM	#8
Hiriel Wight Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sleeping in the South, dreaming of Umbar Posts: 135	Eek. I get on late thinking to find Feanor gone and TORE's logic still among us. This is a gutstaber and no mistake. sighs Can't be on long, but here's my thoughts: Innocents Feanor: TORE trusted him impicitly, and he's admitted to being the ranger. If we doubt Fea, then we're back to square one. Jack: Was protected by Fea the night no one died, so long as we trust Fea. Which I do, at any rate. The wolves don't turn on each other, at least not at night. Jack's innocent. Hiriel: Well, I know I'm innocent, but to prove it the rest of ya'll, I cite that both Fea and TORE (even though Fea did not in fact dream of me, he backed up TORE, who could have) counted me as completely, proven innocent. Why would they do that if they had doubts about me? Why not just say they didn't suspect me at the time? I also tied the vote between Sleepy and Bergil when there were still more votes for Sleepy. If I was a wolf, I could have saved Bergil from the noose. A wolf, while the vote was still up in the air, wouldn't vote for another wolf. Sleepy Ranger: What clears him in my mind is that he was the first person to vote, and vote correctly for a wolf. Why would he not try to, if he was a wolf, cast suspicion on someone else the whole day? Or use his vote to try and build a bandwagon for one of the innocents? I could understand if it looked as though Bergil was going to be hanged all along and there was not any real hope of saving him, SleepyRanger!Wolf voting for Bergil to save his identity, but I can't see a wolf casting unnessisary suspicion on a fellow wolf who was certainly on people's list, but wasn't likely to be hanged when SR voted. EDIT Also what Sleepy said in defense of himself. I'd forgoten TORE asked the Seer to dream about him. Probable Innocents: Rune: He's been very logical the whole game, his voting pattern is pretty solid and he looks to me unwolfish. Now, I haven't seen anything that would clear him entirely, but he's not at all my top suspect. Rune's only quirk is that he keeps gunning for Thinlomien, who I haven't seen much evidence for, one way or the other. I dunno why that is, Rune's not the Seer, but maybe I'm missing something. Thinlomien: This is gut feeling. I've not seen any damning evidence for Thin, other than the lack of votes. As for those, I accept Thin's reasons why he was confused. Lord knows that could have been me, if I wasn't so bored on Day 1. I've not seen anything to clear Thin entirely, but I'm 70% sure. Now, that leaves Malkatoj and Eonwe. Eonwe...I'm now about 55% sure that Eonwe's a wolf. All the points SR brought up make sense to me. I'd already had in mind Bergil's assertation of Eonwe's innocence early on. I've just seen less redeeming points on Eonwe's part. He voted late for Bergil, and even though he broke the tie between Sleepy and Bergil, it was pretty clear that Jack ( who voted last) was going to vote for Bergil anyway. Also: TORE voted for Eonwe Day 1. He said it was for completely baseless reasons, however, I doubt TORE did anything in this game that was baseless. He couldn't very well have said, "Um, guys, I had a dream last night that Eonwe was really hairy." As for Malk, our Seer was sure in counting Malkatoj as a wolf, and I trust TORE. So, even though I might weigh in on whatever comes up later on today, I want to vote early. ++Malkatoj __________________ Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising 4 8 15 16 23 42 ~Proud Lostaway Last edited by Hiriel; 10-08-2005 at 02:23 PM. Reason: Typos, typoes everywhere, and not a drop of sense.

10-08-2005, 02:59 PM	#9
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Vote I'm out for the day- ++Malkatoj __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

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10-08-2005, 05:42 AM	#1
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Damn it! This was totally unexpected. This proves every single one of my theories wrong! Malak should be the next one to go. As for the third wolf... with Gurthang and TORE gone we only have Fea to try and get things clear but since she won't be here I guess I'll try my best to get things in order and hopefully we'll have other people come front with other theories, things are gonna get messy now but if we stick together we can see this through. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

10-10-2005, 05:37 AM	#12
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	I will most proably vote for Eonwe today. I've stated my reasons before and she put up a weak arguement. Especially the "innocent would give sounder reasoning." I admit I did not post the entire posts but I did give you the post number for reference. I only posted the parts that would prove my points. As for the Bergil post I am fully aware that he suspected me in that post and supported you. Thats the entire point since hes a wolf... I will most proably vote early today since I doubt I'll be able to come on later. Eonwe - In my opinion, Wolf Jack (aka Folwren) - Innocent Hiriel - Wolf (?) Rune Son of Bjarne - Innocent (?) Sleepy Ranger - Innocent Thinlomien - Innocent (?) (?) means unsure Lets see, six people left alive, five innocents, one wolf. If we lynch Eonwe and she turns out to be innocent we'll be left with three innocents and one wolf after the night. After that I believe Hiriel would be the next best candidate. I say we should lynch Eonwe today unless she can bring up solid proof of her innocence. Edit- Eonwe did vote for Bergil during the time when him and I were neck to neck but bear in mind at the time I had 4 votes while Bergil had 3. This was indeed a clever move, voting for Bergil would make it 4-4 but I'd still get lynched because the vote for Bergil came in after mine. And as it was said in Eonwe's post, only 15 minutes to go and she proably assumed that nobody else would vote. Jack's post was completely unexpected and I guess I got lucky because it was a cross-post and Eonwe won the race. Had Jack managed to get his post in before Eonwe I daresay I wouldn't be here right now. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007 Last edited by Sleepy Ranger; 10-10-2005 at 05:54 AM.