The Silmarillion Survivor

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by me

But it is always possible that her skills will be needed later on.

Just to add some further thoughts on that comment.

It seems to me that what Anguirel is presenting us with here is a series of "problems" which, in effect, need to be solved. So what we need to do is work through the problems (either in co-operation or - more likely - in a series of loose alliances and mutually antagonistic groups ) in order to come up with the best solution. My preminary reaction to the "problem" which Ang has set us today is that the obvious solution may not necessarily be the best one.

[arcticstorm]

If this is what we are intended to do, I agree with Sauce that ++Manwe 's feast seems to be the most dangerous thing to the trees.

[Lalaith]

++Olwe.
What good were the Teleri when it came to looking after or even caring about the Trees?

They recked little of seasons or times, and gave no thought to the cares of the Rulers of Arda, or the shadow that had fallen on Valinor, for it had not touched them, as yet.

I bet if you vox-popped any passing elf on the streets of Alqualonde, s/he wouldn't even be able to tell you the *name* of one of the Trees, let alone how to take care of them. The feckless Teleri have been encouraged in their blinkered, parochial and downright selfish attitude by their leader. He has no place on Survivor, where pulling together counts for everything.

[Anguirel]

Ungoliant:1
Manwe:1
Olwe:1

[The Saucepan Man]

While I agree with your reasoning, Lal, the contestants are bound to have a sea-based task at some point, so it might be worth keeping Olwe as the only representative of the Teleri tribe.

Manwe is a possibility, but what if one of the tasks involves aerial skills? His Eagles may come in useful.

It seems to me that we could happily lose one of the Noldor without compromising any future tasks. There would still be more than enough to tend to and guard the Trees. But which one ...

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

While I agree with your reasoning, Lal, the contestants are bound to have a sea-based task at some point, so it might be worth keeping Olwe as the only representative of the Teleri tribe.

Once the game moves to Middle-earth, there'll be Sindarin Elf mariners. But at this stage the argument stands...

Myself, however, I think that we should target neither Teleri nor Noldor. Behold the Vanyar! They comb their hair and sing songs that are in any case inferior to Maglor's. Indis and Amarie are always disturbing Finwe and Finrod with their flirting, and Ingwe is so damnably superior. Silver (golden?) spoons in all of their mouths...

I'm leaning towards Amarie. Her playing hard to get is really depressing Finrod and putting him off his task...

[Lalaith]

Ok, you're right. The Vanyar have always annoyed me, stuck-up teachers' pets.
That Ingwe, sitting at the feet of Manwe like a great blond pudding. I bet the party was his idea, and all.

--Olwe

++Ingwe