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10-14-2005, 11:57 AM
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Byronic Brand
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Since my suzerain lord the phantom has not absolved my allegiance, allowing me to vote for Eonwe...
++MANWE True, his downfall will cause internecine chaos among the Valar. But out of adversity unity might be born... Votes: Eonwe-3 Osse-1 Feanor-1 Manwe-1
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10-14-2005, 12:20 PM
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Beloved Shadow
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I, too, vote + + MANWE, for previously stated reasons.
But, if one of the Noldor is close to being lynched, I will change my vote to save him. If I do this then that will release you from your pact with me, Anguirel. I am willing to vote for about anyone to save the Noldor, who received the majority of the malice of Morgoth. In particular I pity Feanor, who Melkor hated above all else, and who, when he understandably messed up, was punished instead of helped by the over-proud Valar, which of course just made him worse. There is no way that Feanor should go before his time.
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10-14-2005, 01:29 PM
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++Manwe He is to blame !
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10-14-2005, 12:28 PM
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Diplomacy, eh? So we lynch... er... remove, the least diplomatic?
Feanor goes. Definitely. Sorry, Anguirel- and all your crazed, Feanorian-loving crowd, but you set the specs here, and Feanor is most definitely the most undiplomatic being in the Silm. Look at his record: he ticks off the Valar, and gets them to not only Ban him, but all his people. He ticks off the Teleri, and manages to upset Noldorin relations with Alqualonde- and Menegroth for that matter- for centuries. He ticks off Melkor, the most powerful being in Arda, and is so undiplomatic as to slam a door in his face. He ticks off his brothers, and gets himself banished from Tirion. He ticks off the Noldor and loses 3/4 of his people.... Feanor may or may not be a great guy. Unlike certain Mormegils in the crowd, I don't see any great need to villify him. But is definitely the least diplomatic Elf to ever roam Valinor or Middle-Earth- including his sons Caranthir, Celegorm, and Curufin... So, like it or not: ++ Curufinwe Feanaro Finwion
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10-14-2005, 12:34 PM
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To that I would say...trust diplomats to ruin diplomacy. A straight-talking orator who says what he feels can achieve wonders...
Votes: Eonwe-3 Osse-1 Feanor-2 Manwe-2
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Beloved Shadow
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For doing what? For not being able to resist the power of the most powerful being in all of Ea? That's hardly a crime. And the Silmarillion says that when the Valar banished him from Tirion it made Melkor's lies appear to be true. Brilliant move, Manwe! Way to heal the situation! Make the evil bad guy look like he was right all along! That's the worst thing you could possibly do! It's as if the Valar wanted to push Feanor down the dark path! I'm sorry, but there is no way we could've expected Feanor to remain unchanged by Melkor's malice. Melkor is too powerful, and his focus was on Feanor in particular. Feanor was going to be affected, just like Hurin the Steadfast was when exposed to Morgoth. When Melkor's evil was discovered, the Valar should've tried to undo his lies, but instead they took a course of action that made his lies appear to be true in Feanor's eyes. So, in other words, they made Feanor's condition, which he could not help, even worse! After that, what do you expect to happen? Good things? The Valar are most definitely to blame. No doubt about it. No question.
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10-14-2005, 01:45 PM
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Eonwe-3
Osse-1 Feanor-2 Manwe-3 This could be my last update...essays and ultimately sleep beckon. As I say, it would be great if someone intermittently recorded votes so I can blearily see who's to be kicked out early tomorrow morning...
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10-14-2005, 01:53 PM
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Illusionary Holbytla
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I will cast my vote in with the Manwe crowd... Manwe is a thoroughly feckless leader who probably makes more mistakes than good judgments. He gets so wrapped up in pleasing Eru that he forgets to make good decisions. Can't have a chap like this in charge, no sirree.
Besides, Fëanor is one of my favorite Elves, and he makes for interesting scenarios. Why vote him off so early? ++Manwe |
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10-14-2005, 02:11 PM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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I would like to poin out that we look at King Olwe's reaction to Ingwe's attempt to get some ships. I do not think that the problem is the Valar, but the problem is with the King of the Teleri, get rid of him and let them have a new king and everything will be fine.
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