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Again, despite Eomer's vote for me, as of right now he seems fairly innocent. Again foolish for following a foolish person. What is it that's always said, who's more foolish, the fool or the one who follows him? So I guess this makes Eomer more foolish but not a wolf. Cailin, vote for Eomer just seems totally out of the blue, I guess she did Anguirel's strategy of the straw trick. Which is the dumbest way to vote, but not a wolf. Anguirel, I've explained, foolish, and a bloody noble, but not a wolf. Lhuna and Shelob, want to hear from these two. But, right now willing to let them slide, I'm sure there's an explanation for there absense. And think of it this way, if they don't talk tomorrow they're dead anyway. Estelyn just seems totally lost at this point. This isn't wolfishness, just one getting a grasp of how these wolves roll. Firefoot and Mr. Underhill I need to hear more from and I would like to before we send them to the gallows. tgwbs' early vote clears him from a wolf atleast for this day, despite how flawed his strategy is. lmp, realizing that votes are tied now between myself and Shelob suddenly suspects me, and could probably easily get me hanged since I'm not very well liked here. Feanor, as I said the gibberish and voluptuous connotation between lmp and herself looks like a ploy designed by the wolves. For if I'm not mistaken the wolves can now PM during the day to discuss strategy? Formendacil, because of him wanting to hang someone who is "immoral." With all this being said, I think those who have voted already... Anguirel Cailin Eomer Estelyn tgwbs Are not wolves. With wolves being able to now discuss day and night, I think we can expect them to hange around later and let voting unfold to devise their strategies. So, I'll probably be on again, but there's a possibility I won't and I'm going to vote for... ++Formendacil
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I realize I cross-posted with Firefoot, and I find the post atleast was written with good intentions.
Also I realized I forgot to mention Encaitare, so insert her name in place of Firefoot's in my previous post. She's another quiet one.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: At the abysmal Abyss Mall.
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::a quick out of game note--There is a reason for my absense, three actually 1. school, 2. chauffeur duty was thrust upon me 3. I started feeling really sick. For such reaons expect little more from me toDAY (unless, as stated later, I see myself accruing most the votes). Unless I'm really sick expect more on following days though...we now return you to your game::
1. Firefoot, I understand you accusing me... I am somewhat low on the social order of things, but I get by. I have neither need nor desire to rise above myself, esp. now I know that there are some few lower than I. 2. Estelyn Telcontar and TGWBS, voting for the silent one eh? A thousand sarcastic thanks...I should be wary of you though, voting for those who have not spoken is safe; you don't need a reason beyond their silence, they don't have a chance to defend themselves until it's too late, the vote is overlooked on later days as it gained nothing. But then again, nothing gambled nothing lost, eh? It seems to me that vote in such a way is to hide in brightest day...though, if it is then only one of you is likely guilty, for two of three wolves to vote so would all but be insanity. 3. Mormegil, wolves will likely try to save themselves whenever possible. However, should doing so risk another of their kin it is the good of the pack they'll look out for. We should remember that when we've voting records to consider. A wolf who refuses to save themself is likely saving their fellows, and through the lack of trail we may be led to the remaining beasts. 4. Current suspicions based on a somewhat rushed reading: >Anguirel: Seems to say much without actually saying much. Post tone has something in it to suggest wolf-ish-ness. He seems (pst. 68) to be making light of the situation. HOWEVER, given that a wolf would either have to be dumb as a post or brilliant beyond all belief to pull off acting this way from the first day I'm inclined to trust that Anguirel is innocent...for now. >TGWBS: His vote for me asside, his post (67) in which he speaks almost lightly of our situation (overdramatic "Alas, Death!", and his "weredwarf" comment) seem too, well, unconcerned for an innocent. (cf. Anguirel, though should one proove lycanthopic it would be my bet the other wasn't) 4a. That's not all, but as mentioned before I'm feeling sick...I can't actually remember who else I suspected... 5. A quick comment on likely werewolf strategies: >Werewolves will vote so as to achieve one of four things: (A) to save themselves (B) to save another of their pack (C) to doom an innocent (D) to begin an innocents descent to doom. Because of such smart wolves can all but avoid detection, double bluff you see. An early enough vote can achieve D without actually seeming to have had a reason beyond innocent naivity. Votes to serve A and C are always looked on as suspicious, so most wolves will try to avoid voting that way unless there are others more likely to draw attention than themselves. as for B votes, their hard to spot until we've got at least one wolf down, with knowledge of who was trying to save them or of whom they tried to save it's easier to find and track votes of this sort >Werewolves will likely kill people who aren't really gathering a lot of suspicion. Any innocent (and remember, the wolves know who are innocent) drawing enough attention away from the real wolves is worth keeping around, all the moreso if said innocent is also hitting close to home. Wolves will keep such a person around because the death of that innocent (whether by noose or by fang) will only take out a shield between the wolves and the gallows. >Werewolves will kill so as to direct the voting away from their "class". By "class" I mean volume group, for example I would be in the "quiet" class whereas Anguirel would likely fit the "loud" class. To me there are three general classes, the Quiet, the Loud, and the Middle. Quiet wolves will try to kill in loud so as to rile up the other Loud villagers, Loud villagers will tend to accuse other Louds or those talking but not talking enough (Middle) thus drawing attention (and votes) away from the Quiet group. There comes a point for Quiet wolves though when killing Loud people becomes too dangerous, it moves the wolves up through the ranks of the Middle putting them more in the Loud's spotlights. Middle wolves will likely take out other Middles, this leaves Louds to accuse each other and Quiets for the wolves to shift blame to. Loud wolves, can likely kill whomever they please, since Louds get (or take) the most air time they are in the best positions to manipulate during the day as well as with their kills, thus Loud kills will likely be well thought out so as to appear like Middle or Quiet kills. If their pack is mixed wolves have to give it far more thought...to hide one of their member will require putting forward another >During the day wolves will have to try and remain within their class, sudden changes (as with sudden movements) draw unwanted eyes. This means that if a non-Loud wolf is under pressure they can't do much to defend themselves. Rants are nice and even innocents may feel the need to vent their anger, but they look wolfish. If we all do our best to keep sudden long rants out of our discussions and try to defend ourselves with evidence presented from the game it makes it that much harder for wolves to hide their guilt. One can only gilt over guilt for so long. >Since their main goal is to remain undetected wolves need to consider double, tripple and even riskier bluffs...The easiest time to do this would be this NIGHT. The right kill now and everyone will have their minds set in the wrong tracks. If their kill is a bluff and we go for it we've handed them a kill and gained all but nothing. If their kill is a bluff and we don't go for it those the bluff cast suspicion on will survive and we'll be left with unknown, untrustable elements gumming up the works. If it's not a bluff we'll certainly take it as one and either of the before described situations shall apply. 6. Having said all that, I fully expect to be alive tomorrow. Right now I'm likely gathering enough suspicion to detract from the wolves, so they won't kill me. This would tend to suggest that I'll draw even more suspicion tomorrow and be stand a good chance of being lynched then. However, there's enough of a chance that I could also be a thorn in the wolves side, this being the case they'd want me killed...Since killing me in the night would detract from their list of shields tomorrow it's more than likely that one wolf (at least) would support my lynching upon the morrow. That way they get two kills for the price of one, a NIGHT kill where they can send suspicion where they please and my DAY death where they'd thin our innocent ranks. Furthermore, should this be the case, it's likely that one wolf (at least) shall defend me...not enough to really be connected to me, but enough to keep me around another DAY, the longer I remain an unknown, untrustable element the better off for them. 7. With 6 in mind I suggest you lynch me now, you'll do no worse than you likely could on the first day anyway, you'll remove a potentially dangerous element from tomorrow's proceedings and (in my death) you'll see my words clearly for what they are, an attempt to help. Should I see myself getting a good majority of votes I'll wrack my mind for any further help and post it. With that I think I'll vote ++Anguirel mostly because of my assorted and disconnected suspcicions he stands out the most. Until Then.
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Dread Horseman
Join Date: Sep 2000
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We humble stone-cutters need to work, even with the curse of the werewolves hanging over our heads. But I've done my best to keep up. Here are my observations:
Why would Boromir88 be so brash and abrasive, knowing that the mob is hungry and fearful and the rope is near? Why would Anguirel be so quick to offer a neck? If he truly is innocent, his death gains us nothing except to draw the wolves one step nearer to victory, as littlemanpoet has spoken truly. He is either a fool or a wolf. On the other hand, lmp talks much but says little. I'm not sure I'm buying this little back-and-forth thing he's got going with Feanor, either. Their banter has more bark than bite, and though they seem to want to project an antagonism between themselves, they've both shied from real accusations of the other until called out by Boromir88. Of course the quiet ones are also suspects, but I think they're less likely to be wolves than the vocal ones. Wolves wouldn't want to draw such obvious and sudden suspicion on themselves. The most obviously innocent villagers are myself and Esty... we've never been in a werewolf-afflicted village. So if anyone needs to hear me say it -- I am innocent. |
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Shadowed Prince
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Firstly, I have come under fire for voting for Shelob (nothing personal). Voting for a silent person makes sense in that it eliminates a potential wild card in the future. The first Day almost always results in an innocent dying anyway, so it's a good strategy.
Now, "something of substance." Shelob - 2 (Esty 2, TGWBS 3) Eomer - 1 (Cailin 4) Boromir - 3 (Anguirel 1, Eomer 5, Feanor 14) Formendacil - 1 (Boromir 6) Mr. Underhill - 1 (Formendacil 7) Anguirel - 4 (Shelob 8, Encaitarë 12, Mister Underhill 13, Lhuna 15) Cailin - 3 (Mormegil 9, Firefoot 10, LMP 11) Mormegil, Firefoot and LMP are now certain innocents. Nobody would vote for a fellow wolf when the votes were so close. Unfortunately, this means they will certainly be dying in the Night - goodbye, fellows. At least the Ranger has a one in three chance of saving one. After Cailin got her third vote, Enca and Mr U both voted for Ang in succession. However, Boromir and Shelob already had two votes at this point, so it would have made more sense, if Enca were a wolf, for her to vote for one of these. Enca therefore makes my innocent list, Mr U makes my wolf list. At the time of Feanor's vote, Ang and Cailin were tied. A wolf would have voted Ang. Fea therefore appears innocent. However, she could have counted on somebody breaking the tied afterwards, as voting for Ang would make her look suspicious afterwards. Lhuna now appears quite wolfy, though her vote could just be down to chance. Conclusion: Innocents: Mormegil Firefoot LMP Enca Fea? Wolves: Mr U Lhuna? |
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Oh dear, dear Eomer! It is a sad fate that befell you. Try as I might I cannot bring your mangled corpse back to life. Farewell, and rest in peace.
I have not listened to the conversations of the past Day as thoroughly as I should have, and it has cost the village the life of a knight who could have greatly helped us in our plight. I have to admit that deciding who to lynch among the three was very difficult for me, for breaking a triple-tie is something I have never experienced in the villages I have wandered into in the past. Truly then I could not yet bring myself to vote for Cailín, for I have not seen why she was being suspected. Alas that I have erred. Upon finding out that the valiant Anguirel was an innocent, I knew that I would at once be under suspicion. I have no valid defense against that, just that then I was misguided and my mind still subject to the ignorance caused by slumber. But I swear on the graves of our fallen comrades (of course not counting that lycan Cailín) that I am innocent. Even if you ask the Seer to dream of me toNight or decide to lynch me toDay, that is what you will discover. As my duties call me away for the rest of the Day, I will spend the time that I have now to recall the discussions of the past Day, then I shall cast my early vote. |
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Listen to me: don't underestimate the audacity of the wolves. How much common sense would it take to absolutely secure the vision of your innocence by sacrificing one of your own? All they had to do was kill off Cailin, or show that they were trying to, and anybody on that list is golden. And with the three-way tying rule of the first and last dead, it makes it really tough to get who you want killed anyhow, especially this early. Voting early for Cailin, who there was such a high chance of still surviving, is not as risky as you would think. I mean, look... she didn't die by our hands, she died by those of the noble Eomer (may his spirit find comfort with those of our poor departed phantom and our brave Sir Anguirel). But my point is, wolves are willing to do anything. Here's a good rule of wrist that you should seriously keep in mind: Even though Fea's innocent, judge anything the wolves *might* do by what she'd be willing to do if she was one of them. The first thing I'd do as a wolf was sacrifice my kin, whether with their knowledge or without it. Because people automatically assume it wouldn't happen. Don't do that. Expect the worst and prepare for it. How hard would you kick yourselves if I'm right in my vague suspicion of LMP (agian... ![]() Don't do that. The only true proof of innocence is death or Seer identification. Which, on that note, let me keep you on the up and up that I'm pretty glad I didn't mention that I thought 'Mer might have Seen something good about mormegil. Even though I was wrong, looks like the wolves may have thought the same. I'll post more later... I've got a [tavern wenching] class to get ready for. Horrible boss of mine, you know? Making me get up to go to an 8:00 AM class on [how to properly wench a tavern]. Just... please don't underestimate? Please?
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I've been in and out a lot more than I had thought today, hence my lack of posts. I'm glad to see that most of you are finding me innocent; hopefully that doesn't make me a target for the wolves tonight.
Right now my suspect list is comprised of six people, in roughly this order: Formendacil Shelob Mr. Underhill Lhuna Fea TGWBS The last three (Lhuna, Fea, and TGWBS) are more neutral than suspicious, but I don't want to narrow my list too much so early in the game. I haven't written off any of the rest, but they don't seem as suspicious to me. Formendacil and Shelob are still my choices for wolves; however, it seems odd that all three wolves would be in the first half of voters. Granted, there are RL commitments, but it still seems that the wolves would want to leave someone around in case things start to go horribly awry. But then, maybe that was part of the strategy. People who vote earlier tend to look less suspicious than those who vote later, depending somewhat on the outcome. But I think that one of them is probably a wolf - I'm not certain, but that's how it seems to me. A Formendacil/Mr. Underhill combination would be interesting - it would mean that Formendacil is playing a bold game, having voted for him. Bluffing? Maybe. Before his vote for Mr. U, Formendacil didn't mention him at all as being suspicious - his list was lmp, Anguirel, and Morm - either innocent or in a very innocent light right now. Would Formen try to play this bold a game? At that point, only four other people had been voted for, one of them himself. Hm. That's all I have time for right now, I'll likely expand/revise later. Edit: cross-posting with Boromir and Morm. |
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Princess of Skwerlz
Join Date: Jan 2002
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I am trying to piece the evidence together, but nothing seams to fit.
Before my brain switches off for the night, I must make my choice. Underhill expresses my feelings as a new player so well that I hesitate to vote for him. I would like to believe him a fellow innocent, though I am not entirely sure. Two of my other suspects have voted extremely early today - Shelob for Lhuna and Lhuna for Underhill. I have no specific suspicions of Enca, who was the second to vote for Anguirel, a position that was not particularly critical. Since I have concentrated on those four, as I explained above, I am not looking too closely at the others yet. I need more clues, and if I am allowed to survive, I intend to collect them. Here are my thoughts so far, for what they're worth: mormegil is an uncertain candidate, with his suspicions that don't quite sound consistent to me. Boromir's insults alone do not make him a candidate, but there are inconsistencies in his posts that make me pause. Formendacil's suggestion that all of us not vote is in itself suspicious. His suspects are villagers whom I don't suspect, so he could be a wolf, but I don't have enough evidence yet. Fea is unpredictable. Firefoot defends Shelob, who is one of my top suspects. tgwbs' arguments seem fairly sound to me; so far, I have no reason to suspect him. LMP hasn't yet given me enough clues to his identity in his input so far. I know myself to be innocent. That leaves 11, 2 of which are wolves. If we're lucky, the cursed villager won't be caught. So far I can't recognize the seer, but that's probably good. If I could, I'm sure the experienced wolves would as well!
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++Cailin
She seems most suspicious to me. I'll explain why. She's done enough to keep visible but not so much to stir the waters though she did give an unexpected vote for Eomer. Another thing for her and others is that she doesn't seem overly suspicious and on day one that seems to be the most likely wolf, if you follow me. What I am meaning is that on this day it's very easy for the wolves to avoid suspicion and therefore those who look most guilty are probably not and those who look fairly innocent could be the opposite. I know this doesn't make much sense in written form but in my muddled head it's rather clear. That being said I found Formendacil's reaction to Boromir's vote rather interesting. Quote:
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Illusionary Holbytla
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I am willing to accept Shelob's defense for being away. She's on my watchlist, but I'm not overly suspicious of her.
I'm giving Mr. Underhill the benefit of the doubt right now. What other people are saying about him being smarter than he's showing is definitely ringing a bell, and I wholly disagree with his statement that because he and Esty are new to the game then they are innocent. However, he doesn't seem lynch-worthy to me yet. If Fea and LMP are both wolves, then they are bluffing mightily. I wouldn't put it past either of them - far from it - but I'm not convinced that both of them are wolves. One, quite possibly, but both, hm, I don't think so. And there's really not a lot of evidence to support either of them being wolves. Formendacil still is not sitting right with me. Like Morm, I found his reaction to the vote for him quite odd - a bit of an overreaction, which is something I look for in wolves. If Boromir is a wolf, he's playing a very bold game. He seems to be very flippant for being so close to the noose, which would be very good werewolf strategy, but I guess I'd expect a bit more of an edge to his posts. He's edging up on my watchlist, but I'm not ready to vote for him. Cailin is behaving a little oddly. She hi-lites two suspects of hers in her post (myself and Esty), then pulls a blinder and votes for Eomer for "no reason." Um... right. I just realized I didn't actually give any personal feelings about TGWBS in my analysis post. So here goes: He doesn't seem particularly suspicious, but I'd like to see something of substance from him. He really hasn't said a whole lot except to declare his innocent and to say that the people who hadn't said anything were irritating. And I'm still suspicious of Ang - he seems to say a lot, but there's not a whole lot of substance to his posts. I really can't say I have an idea of what he thinks. So revised list: Formendacil and Cailin, followed by Fea, LMP, Boromir, and Ang. Edit: cross-posting with LMP |
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Illusionary Holbytla
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Well, I'm off to bed. This vote is hard - six people seem suspicious to me, but none of them seem to say "wolf!"
++Cailin She just seems the most suspicious to me, right now. Shelob - 2 (Esty 2, TGWBS 3) Eomer - 1 (Cailin 4) Boromir - 2 (Anguirel 1, Eomer 5) Formendacil - 1 (Boromir 6) Mr. Underhill - 1 (Formendacil 7) Anguirel - 1 (Shelob 8) Cailin - 2 (Mormegil 9, Firefoot 10) The number by everyone's name is the order they voted in. With five people left to vote, this is still wide open. Vote wisely. Last edited by Firefoot; 10-18-2005 at 08:23 PM. |
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In which I say that nearly everyone is behaving a tad suspiciously in some way...
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It's difficult to make logical accusations on Day 1. These are my thoughts for now. Shelob - Silent for most of the day, but as we share a similar predicament, I understand her plight. No suspicion at present. mormegil - He came up with a plan, albeit a confusing one. Most likely he's innocent, but it's possible that he knew the plan would be rejected and proposed it under the guise of helpfulness. Cailín - I have to wonder why she voted for Eomer, though she did attribute it to nothing more than randomness and a vague suspicion, which is pretty much what we're all going on today. the guy who be short - His immediate assertion that he is not a wolf seems a bit iffy to me -- but then again, would a wolf make that kind of slip? It could have been an honest statement, or a wolf's careless mistake. I would credit TGWBS as being too clever to make slips like that, but then again, nobody's perfect. Anguirel - As I said earlier, he could be innocent, or he could be a bluffing wolf. He is almost definitely not a gifted, because a gifted would not offer himself to die. He could be a safe lynch victim in that respect. I know I said that his death would not be helpful in catching a wolf if he was innocent, but with the interest of not killing off our gifteds, Seer especially, I may vote for him. Better safe than sorry, I guess. Encaitare - Well, gosh, I know I'm innocent. Boromir88 - seems very irreverent about the whole thing. Plus, he's rather rude, but that's in character. The whole attitude could be a bold bluff. Firefoot - Her arguments seem logical, and I am not suspicious of her right now. Lhunardawen - Nothing to go on, really. littlemanpoet - I don't like his attitude towards us ladies, but that's just his character, so I am willing to let that slide. Feanor of the Peredhil - I'd like to know why she wants me lynched. Could just be that she, out of her silly sense of humor, would find it amusing. She claims to have found "either two known innocent, or two known wolves". For such an outright statement, I doubt she's the Seer. But I have to wonder what she thinks she knows. Perhaps these two are LMP and B88, whom she later said she suspects. Eomer of the Rohirrim - The real information in his posts is flanked by in-character commentary. Perhaps it's a little overused? No real suspicion, however. Formendacil - was "deeply insulted" by an accusation. Could just be the traditional first-day response to an accusation, could be a little more defensive. Yet he voted for Mr. Underhill, and although I don't think I'll do the same, I agree with his reasoning. Estelyn Telcontar - I'm used to seeing Esty taking charge and getting things done. As a new player, I can understand how she's on the quiet side... but even so, I'd like to hear more from her. Mister Underhill - Formendacil mentioned before that he is very intelligent and seems to be "playing dumb". Could be lupine behavior. No doubt I have cross-posted with someone while composing this post. I shall read any other responses and vote shortly. EDIT: Yep, cross-posted with LMP, Firefoot, and Mormegil. |
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