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The 1,000 Reader · 10-19-2005, 07:31 PM

++Uldor.

(About the write-up, Beleg? Strange choice,and wouldn't it be hard to drown something as big as a tiger/lion? I don't think he was small. Good writing, though. I'm not insulting you.)

Celuien · 10-20-2005, 04:17 AM

Actually, Gothmog, that sounds like a very reasonable plan. I can't really think of a better way to cause more death and destruction.

++ULDOR

Lord Melkor · 10-20-2005, 06:52 AM

Excellent reasoning Gothmog ! In order to maximize the number of fatalities on both sides we must make sure the meatgrinder lasts as long as possible, so no side must get a distinct advantage over the other one.

++ Uldor

Anguirel · 10-20-2005, 07:23 AM

Clarification-the sons of Uldor and the sons of Bor are both single entities for the purposes of voting. If you eject Uldor, Ulwarth and the rest go too, for instance.

Partly out of perversity, I feel a need to set up an altrenative candidate. Of course Morgoth's army has to be weakened, and Uldor and the other traitorous brothers are an obvious option.

However, it was not the treachery men which meant that the Union of Maedhros was destined to end in defeat. No; a darker power lay behind it.

The time has come to finally be rid of ++MANDOS, THE DOOM OF, which will allow great Noldo leaders like the High King Maedhros, Fingon and Maeglin, Prince of Gondolin, to show their quality...

Lalaith · 10-20-2005, 08:08 AM

What's the deadline today, O AngMod the Great?

Anguirel · 10-20-2005, 08:36 AM

Weeell...it depends. Probably tomorrow morning, 7:30am; I was hoping to squeeze in another Day but time is too short now I think. So this challenge will be the last before the pause. The aftermath of the Nirnaeth changes everything, will kill off an unprecedented number of contestants and seems a suitable point for the interval.

So, yup, I've persuaded myself. 7:30 am tomorrow.

Votes so far

Uldor-4
Mandos, the Doom of-1

Lalaith · 10-20-2005, 09:06 AM

Ok, here's an idea, what about Azaghal of Belegost?
If we evict him, he doesn't wound Glaurung and drive him off the battlefield, so Glaurung gets to kill more of the host of elves, elf-friends and dwarves. And also, if he isn't slain, then the dwarves don't do their dirge-singing, bearing away the body of their slain leader from the battlefield thing - I know that was a pretty cool scene but if they stay and fight for a bit longer then more of the host of Morgoth will be slain.
Plus we haven't evicted any dwarves yet.
++Azaghal

Celuien · 10-20-2005, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Clarification-the sons of Uldor and the sons of Bor are both single entities for the purposes of voting. If you eject Uldor, Ulwarth and the rest go too, for instance.

Partly out of perversity, I feel a need to set up an altrenative candidate. Of course Morgoth's army has to be weakened, and Uldor and the other traitorous brothers are an obvious option.

However, it was not the treachery men which meant that the Union of Maedhros was destined to end in defeat. No; a darker power lay behind it.

The time has come to finally be rid of ++MANDOS, THE DOOM OF, which will allow great Noldo leaders like the High King Maedhros, Fingon and Maeglin, Prince of Gondolin, to show their quality...

My chance to get rid of the Doom of Mandos has come at last if the pattern of Ang-mod victories continues!

--ULDOR
++MANDOS, DOOM OF

An entirely unfair sanction against the great Noldor tribe. They don't deserve this persecution.

Anguirel · 10-20-2005, 11:01 AM

Uldor-3
Mandos, Doom of-2
Azaghal-1
Hurin-1

Gothmog-my interpretation of the Doom is not that it physically saps Noldorin strength, but that it ultimately thwarts Noldorin enterprises. With the Doom present, the Union of Maedhros, for instance, cannot succeed in its aims of, er, unity and defiance of Morgoth. There are also side products like Maeglin's love for Idril, and possiblly vice-versa. Whether that will go with the Doom, I leave you to speculate...as I also leave you to wonder what the state of Idril's feelings have been tending Maeglin's Dragon-wounds. That sub-plot has been put aside, but I'll reveal its result next write-up. Not a happy one...

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-20-2005, 11:12 AM

I've got to go with
+ + Glaurung

With him the bad guys won a narrow, hard-fought victory. Without him, but with other, more immature, dragons, the dwarves might have stayed on the field and helped with a rather bloody draw. Bad guys pushed back to the gates of Angband
with the help of the dwarves and Gondolin but both sides severely weakened.

10-19-2005, 07:31 PM	#1
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	++Uldor. (About the write-up, Beleg? Strange choice,and wouldn't it be hard to drown something as big as a tiger/lion? I don't think he was small. Good writing, though. I'm not insulting you.) __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

10-20-2005, 04:17 AM	#2
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Actually, Gothmog, that sounds like a very reasonable plan. I can't really think of a better way to cause more death and destruction. ++ULDOR __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

10-20-2005, 06:52 AM	#3
Lord Melkor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 78	Excellent reasoning Gothmog ! In order to maximize the number of fatalities on both sides we must make sure the meatgrinder lasts as long as possible, so no side must get a distinct advantage over the other one. ++ Uldor __________________ 'I am the Elder king: Melkor, first and mightiest of all the Valar, who was before the world, and made it. The shadow of my purpose lies upon Arda, and all that is in it bends slowly and surely to my will.'

10-20-2005, 07:23 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Clarification-the sons of Uldor and the sons of Bor are both single entities for the purposes of voting. If you eject Uldor, Ulwarth and the rest go too, for instance. Partly out of perversity, I feel a need to set up an altrenative candidate. Of course Morgoth's army has to be weakened, and Uldor and the other traitorous brothers are an obvious option. However, it was not the treachery men which meant that the Union of Maedhros was destined to end in defeat. No; a darker power lay behind it. The time has come to finally be rid of ++MANDOS, THE DOOM OF, which will allow great Noldo leaders like the High King Maedhros, Fingon and Maeglin, Prince of Gondolin, to show their quality... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-20-2005, 08:08 AM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	What's the deadline today, O AngMod the Great? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-20-2005, 08:36 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Weeell...it depends. Probably tomorrow morning, 7:30am; I was hoping to squeeze in another Day but time is too short now I think. So this challenge will be the last before the pause. The aftermath of the Nirnaeth changes everything, will kill off an unprecedented number of contestants and seems a suitable point for the interval. So, yup, I've persuaded myself. 7:30 am tomorrow. Votes so far Uldor-4 Mandos, the Doom of-1 __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-20-2005, 09:06 AM	#7
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok, here's an idea, what about Azaghal of Belegost? If we evict him, he doesn't wound Glaurung and drive him off the battlefield, so Glaurung gets to kill more of the host of elves, elf-friends and dwarves. And also, if he isn't slain, then the dwarves don't do their dirge-singing, bearing away the body of their slain leader from the battlefield thing - I know that was a pretty cool scene but if they stay and fight for a bit longer then more of the host of Morgoth will be slain. Plus we haven't evicted any dwarves yet. ++Azaghal __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling Last edited by Lalaith; 10-20-2005 at 09:30 AM.

10-20-2005, 11:01 AM	#9
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Votes Uldor-3 Mandos, Doom of-2 Azaghal-1 Hurin-1 Gothmog-my interpretation of the Doom is not that it physically saps Noldorin strength, but that it ultimately thwarts Noldorin enterprises. With the Doom present, the Union of Maedhros, for instance, cannot succeed in its aims of, er, unity and defiance of Morgoth. There are also side products like Maeglin's love for Idril, and possiblly vice-versa. Whether that will go with the Doom, I leave you to speculate...as I also leave you to wonder what the state of Idril's feelings have been tending Maeglin's Dragon-wounds. That sub-plot has been put aside, but I'll reveal its result next write-up. Not a happy one... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-20-2005, 11:12 AM	#10
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	I've got to go with + + Glaurung With him the bad guys won a narrow, hard-fought victory. Without him, but with other, more immature, dragons, the dwarves might have stayed on the field and helped with a rather bloody draw. Bad guys pushed back to the gates of Angband with the help of the dwarves and Gondolin but both sides severely weakened. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

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