WWJ II: Welcome to Lower Tadfield. The Apocalypse has Now Begun.

[tar-ancalime]

All right, I've got to take a deep breath and vote...on very little information.

The only thing I can even guess at is that, as I said before, a wolf abstained from voting yesterday. That means that either Hiriel or THE Ka is a suspect. Simply because Hiriel's post today made more sense to me than THE Ka's (which seemed to obscure things rather than clarify them), I'm tempted to vote for THE Ka.

But then again, who knows? I know that anything I do right now is very flimsy.

So...

++THE Ka

May Eru have mercy on my soul!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Oh my! It seems people are throwing suspicion my way. I'll try clearing some things up

Now my whole purpose of posting my list at the beginning was to see how people responded to a random accusation. I felt uneasy each time SR brought up thinking logically and not pointing the blame due to randomness. If we all sat around looking at opening posts and trying to find logic in them we'd be doomed. He says "We need to start somewhere..." but if we do not put some form of accusation out there (no matter how random) then we can't really start.

First of all you got the complete opposite meaning of my little 'logical thinking' rant. I am not against a bit of randomness but I said that starting from professions was ahem, stupid. What I did say was think things over before posting it, I did not say do not post I just said make sure you know what you're posting and if it makes any sense.

Not pointing out blame? Oh my, you seem to have mis-understood me. I said accuse would be a better word than blame and I said that we shouldn't randomly throw around blame...

As in- X- I bet Y is the wolf.[/b] (Thats what I'm against, I mean just saying it out. Sure if you suspect somebody but can't really put your finger on it then by all means go ahead and say I find this person suspicious but if you're going to go all out and BLAME somebody without any reason thats what I'm against.)

Moving on-

I find this to contradict itself. He says people are giving random posts for evidence that isn't there, but right away he says things today are going to be quite random. So then, why is there just a problem for random suspicions and evidence if that seems to be what day one is made of?

To me it seems you are just completely ignoring the whole fact that I made the post against accusing people because of their occupation NOT random ones...

And finally SR voted for Glirdan, for "reasons stated by other people", well which reasons? Which people? Perhaps SR is trying to start a bandwagong, seeing as there is already one vote for Glirdan.

I did not have time to put up reasons but I shall gladly do so now-

Glirdan - has been accused of trying to send Seer hints. Hinting so drastically this early is not a great idea. Wouldn't want a dead Seer on Night 2. Might be a masquerading wolf, might be the Seer, or we might be reading too much into things. Watch.

This post by Gurthy got me thinking.

Glirdan~ Because of his strange posts regarding Eonwe. Now there's a chance he is a very bold seer, but his hints toward it are very bold and very dangerous. He could be a wolf leading off his scent and trying to throw it elsewhere. (piggybacking on an innocent...) Or he really could have a strong gut feeling.

And as you yourself said Kitanna

And you obviously missed this part of my quote-

and because I really don't have a main suspect.

I did use a bit of randomness and now it seems strange to me, you keep telling people that I'm against randomness (Which I'm not. I'm against blaming with no reason and accusing because of occupation or some other moot detail) and then you condemn me for using a bit of randomness. This places Kitanna moderately high on my suspicions list but I don't think I'll vote for her, I want to see how things work out and perhaps do a bit of re-reading before I do make a choice.

As for band-waggoning, now thats just silly... I believe I was the third person to vote and how would 2 votes start a band-wagon? If I did want to get somebody band-waggoned I'd have stated reasons to prove their guilt rather than just going with what some others (you included) said. I needed to vote and at the time I felt Glirdan was a wolf.

Now here is a loose theory I have about Sleepy Ranger and sotty. They’re both wolves. They decided on night one that they would try to get a double lynching going by voting for two people who had already gotten a vote. Sleepy Ranger voted first and not long after sotty voted. They didn’t really vote early and they didn’t vote too late. So there was still time for someone to break the tie. That sort of puts a dent in my theory. So, this isn’t an incredibly good theory, but I think there is a possibility it could be true.

Mine was the third vote I believe so it was well before the others and how on earth would I know when Sotty or anybody else planned on voting?

Hopefully that clears somethings up. I'm a bit busy with athletics today so I won't have time to go through much but I believe there may be something to find in 3 pages of posts.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sorry for the double-post but I didn't want to edit the one above.
tar's vote for THE Ka seems to have come out of the blue... I'd like to point Kitanna in tar's direction because she seems to dis-like people who vote for reasons others have stated. </sarcasm>

Ahem but seriously does anybody else find tar's vote disturbing? I mean it is rather early in the day and we don't really have much on Ka except for her not posting. I'll be keeping an eye on tar from now on.

I apologize if you find my comment offensive Kitanna. It serves no meaning except to perhaps give someone a laugh

[Eonwe]

i don't really find it taht weird, as of now. maybe it will chance as time moves on and the evidence mounts, if you kow waht i mean. Tar is certainly on the List, but quite a few people are, as far as im conserned.

just checking in, im be back on in like an hour or two...

[WaynetheGoblin]

Well tar vote is strange. He is now higher on my suspect list. Also poor poor gurthang he didnt stand a chanch.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Mine was the third vote I believe so it was well before the others and how on earth would I know when Sotty or anybody else planned on voting?

If you are a wolf it would be easy for you and sotty to plan it out the night before. But still that theory of mine remains loose. I have other people to look after first before you and sotty.

Now to bring up what tar-ancalime said about Rune and his vote. At the time Rune voted DEATH had given a list of votes so far, excluding Wayne's. Now of course DEATH was not the mod, but also Wayne's vote could of course been overlooked. So assuming Rune was going off of DEATH's list then he would have seen the oppurtunity of bringing about a tie. Of course that is unlikey, but there is also the possibility of him realizing Wayne's vote would not be counted due to its format.

But voting for the person who's already got a majority, when there are still 4 voters presumably to come and "cover his tracks," is a "safe" move, an "unobtrusive" move, one which could point either to a wolf hiding in the crowd, or to an unsure villager not wanting to cast any new suspicions.

I had given little thought to that. If Rune took into account Wayne's vote then he could have seen it as a chance to hide because "he had helped put DEATH in the lead." I have a gut feeling about Rune and I hope to hear from him soon.

But also tar-ancalime, I find your vote for THE Ka odd...I do not see a huge problem with voting so early. Sometimes life just gets in the way. But the fact you would vote for Ka because of her "obscuring things" is unsettling. You too missed the vote yesterday for a miscalulation of time which is what happened to Ka. One way for me to look at your reasons is that you want to throw attention off yourself because you also did not vote and some still suspect you from yesterday. Or you are at a lose for who to vote for so you picked off the list of those who did not vote.

In the next hour or so I am going to have to cast a vote because I will be gone when day ends. So do not think ill of me because of that.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

All right, I've got to take a deep breath and vote...on very little information.

The only thing I can even guess at is that, as I said before, a wolf abstained from voting yesterday. That means that either Hiriel or THE Ka is a suspect. Simply because Hiriel's post today made more sense to me than THE Ka's (which seemed to obscure things rather than clarify them), I'm tempted to vote for THE Ka.

But then again, who knows? I know that anything I do right now is very flimsy.

So...

++THE Ka

May Eru have mercy on my soul!

No, may Berkelley have mercy on your soul...

I did not vote the other day because of time differences, and that i'm stupid. I live (obviously) in the Pacific Time Zone and I completely forgot to count three hours ahead. Instead, I was greeted by a thread saying, 'IT IS NOW NIGHT', so of course I could not vote. Another reason is that i'm stupid, and still did not grasp this game, thus I had to send messages to AbercrombieOfRohan asking about things such as votes, where do I vote, when do I vote, ect...

Yes, I was that mindless the otherday about this game.

Now, thankfully I do know how to play and am gathering facts for my final vote.

Sincerely,

~ Ka

P.S. If you are still quite confused, I would more than happy to send you originals of my messages, though I believe you may have to ask permission from AOR before doing so, since they were the other person in correspondence. Hope this helps.

[Eonwe]

let me see. there seems to be allot of people not doing allot of talking. taht would be weird, but people are prolly on different time zones. all the same, i don't like silence from anyone. becuse if you don't say anything, nothing can be held against you. perfect wolf stratagy, in my book. (nothing except not saying anything, that is )

ok my List breaks down as follows.

THE Ka: a wolf would be better prepared to vote, talk, expain, etc. and she gave some real life reasoning. if that stuffs not true, you are the base master of treachery. so im willing to let her off.

Tar-ancalime: seems a bit suspicious. kind of freaked out yesterday. but that happens to newcomers to werewolf infested villages. nothing really.

Wilwarin: i'd like to hear some more from you. but i don't know waht timezone you are, so you may have very good reasons for being silent for long periods of time. i guess silence is kind of relative, because im silent to you for long periods of time, possibley. anyway....

Sleepy Ranger: i don't konwwww. i hope he isn't a wolf. he hasn't given me any reason to think so, but all the same, i watching you....

Holbytlass: i'd like to hear more from you. but the same stuff as i said about wilwarin appies here, too.

Eonwe: the only one im sure of.

there seems to be allot taht we can gleen from the voting records. but not i, i must go to class...

[Holbytlass]

A bit redundent, but we all like to see things our own way. BTW, I was taught this by a lovely chap selling saucepans....

Wilwarin-->Tar-Ancalime (tar-1)
Holby-->Glirdan (tar-1, glir-1)
SleepyRanger-->Glirdan (tar-1, glir-2)
Sotty-->Tar-ancalime (tar-2, glir-2)
Kittanna-->Sleepy Ranger (tar-2, glir-2, sleep-1)
Eonwe-->Wilwarin (tar-2, glir-2, sleep-1, wil-1)
Gurthang-->Marcolie (tar-2, glir-2 sleep-1, wil-1, marc-1)
Bergil-->Marcolie (tar-2, glir-2, sleep-1, wil-1, marc-2)
Wayne-->Marcolie (doesn't count)
Marcolie-->Glirdan (tar-2, glir-3, sleep-1, wil-1, marc-2)
Rune-->Marcolie (tar-2, glir-3, sleep-1, wil-1, marc-3)

no vote: Glirdan, Tar-ancolime, Hiriel, The Ka


First to bandwagon on Glirdan (I do consider the second vote bandwaggoning, but not the most suspicious) is Sleepy Ranger, what makes it somewhat suspicious is he didn't speak of suspicions against Glirdan or anyone outright.
Marcolie did band on Glirdan, but that was to save herself and really it's a moot point cause she's dead.

First to bandwaggon on Tar is Sotty. He did voice suspicion against Tar so not that suspicios to me.

First to band on Marcolie is Bergil, never spoke of suspicions against her, only half-heartedly names three others. QUOTE: I don't suspect her in the least' but I must vote for someone'. What is the most interesting, with his vote, he made the 3 way tie. If it was so random, he could've broke the tie or voted for someone else. Bergil being a wolf, didn't care who got it. If this theory is true, then I would have to conclude that Tar-ancalime is an innocent.

Then there is Wayne: his vote that didn't count really befuddles everything that happened after. I shall give him the benefit of the doubt. Had it counted, he broke a tie that would send 2 people to their deaths, and I was confused with the voting rules, so I can't hold that against anybody else.

Third to band on Marcolie Rune: hard to really know, if he thought Wayne's counted, then broke a tie, if he knew wayne's didn't count then brought on the tie. But he did voice suspicon of Marcolie earlier.

All of this with the underestanding more votes to come, but some never did.



Suspect list:
Tar-ancalime
Hiriel
The Ka
for no votes, sorry that's automatic in my book, but not necessarily the most suspicious

Bergil
Sleepy Ranger
Rune
For reasons stated above, all can change it's still so early

[THE Ka]

Well, let's see here...

Starting from the beginning, there seems to be at least three distinct relations and votes between players, two of them, I believe are in some way related. As for the other, it's most likely going to boil over into whichever of the first two prove victorious. So, we have two battling and one watching, simply put.

One and two share a suspect, Marcolie, but we have Rune on one reasoning, and Bergil on another. Plus, we have Marcolie voting for Glirdan, who is also voted for by Sleepy.

First to bandwagon on Glirdan (I do consider the second vote bandwaggoning, but not the most suspicious) is Sleepy Ranger, what makes it somewhat suspicious is he didn't speak of suspicions against Glirdan or anyone outright.

I am not going to outright make a statement as to if SR is a wolf or not, but possibly since it was very early in the game, as a voter you would have to pick something that wouldn't be too confusing with the already established vote. Or, someone else is pushing the envelope on this turn out for Glirdan, possibly to cover up another voting plan (?).

First to band on Marcolie is Bergil, never spoke of suspicions against her, only half-heartedly names three others. QUOTE: I don't suspect her in the least' but I must vote for someone'. What is the most interesting, with his vote, he made the 3 way tie. If it was so random, he could've broke the tie or voted for someone else. Bergil being a wolf, didn't care who got it. If this theory is true, then I would have to conclude that Tar-ancalime is an innocent.

Possibly, if something was so random it shouldn't have been so well planned in the way it fell in the concluding count. Either that, as I've mentioned before, there is possibly another voting plan that is in place, but it needs one of the bigger ones to get out of the way first, ect. So, one is true and the other vote isn't, plus we have the other voting plan (most likely werewolf induced) waiting.
So, it's just a choosing of the blue pill or red pill, really.

I'm seeing a reasonable account with the Wayne theory, since with it being the first day and having voting problems (I was another one) usually was a believable answer. Because of this, I believe it pro-longed one of the voting plans, and thus made Rune's vote fall as it did. Since, from what i've read Rune voted possibly before Wayne, though I might be reading it wrong.

One way for me to look at your reasons is that you want to throw attention off yourself because you also did not vote and some still suspect you from yesterday. Or you are at a lose for who to vote for so you picked off the list of those who did not vote.

Doesn't everyone... But, voting problems and time calculations seemed to be rather reasonable the first day of voting. Plus, there is the pressure of declaring a vote, then diving in and hoping your won't drown under a big miscalculation that will immediately throw you into the hot pan of suspicion. But, then again, if you don't vote, your only chance at getting off the suspicion list is to pick a fellow non-voter, since this can be seen as a 'reasonable' vote that the person could be a werewolf, ect. When it doesn't work is when we are able to clear away non-voters through their reasoning. Anyone left who hasn't taken in the opportunity to do so is still on this list, and thus a suspect again.

Non-voting the first night as I have been able to guess was due to two reasons:

- New players unsure of voting, time zone miscalculations, first night pressure, ect.

- Early werewolf tactics and voting plans. The most agreed upon theory of finding out possible suspects (ex. 'werewolf in the crowd').

Now ,the second night should be more reasonable and clear away at least the first reason i've put. If it doesn't I would hold suspicions as well.

Oh, the choices... But ,from looking at evidence supplied by people and themselves, I'm going to cast my vote.

Rune's vote is rather suspicions because either they knew Wayne was going to vote one way or another, or they took advantage of the moment. Plus, there is the fact as to if and when they voted after or before Wayne. It's too shady for me, and I still have alot of confusions about these three voting plans, but I need to stake a vote now, before I spend too much time thinking as I almost did before.

After reading Kit's really helpful posts and everyone else's, (I hate jumping to conclusions, but it's just too early in the game) I am going to have to go with this, because it holds the most evidence:

++ Rune



Sincerely, with most thoughfulness,

Ka

[Kitanna]

To everyone: Don't forget to write VOTE as your title. *looks at Ka and tar* That way we avoid another problem like we need with Wayne's vote yesterday.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok, before you all go asuming I am some sort of fanged fuzzball, I would like to say something.

It seems that you nomather why I votet for Death I am a wolf.

This is very odd I think, why should a wolf do both?

I am very sorry I dont see these evidence of what you speek. . . Surly a wolf would not vote for a dubbel lynch this would draw atention to one. Bandwagoning is neither the ideal thing to do for a wolf. (at least not in the first day.) It would be much more safe to vote for one not to be killed.

I will just remind you that I postet at same time as Death and did not know her vote.

I yes I said that I thought less ill of Death, but I truely did not know who to vote for so I went with my first impresion.

If youre still suspesios then post them and i will try to answer when I can.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Since both my computer and internet are acting up I will vote now in case I am unable to later.

++Rune

Because he seems to be the most likely to be a wolf at the moment.

Surly a wolf would not vote for a dubbel lynch this would draw atention to one. Bandwagoning is neither the ideal thing to do for a wolf. (at least not in the first day.) It would be much more safe to vote for one not to be killed.

Did you not say you cross-posted and at that time you would have been breaking the tie? So saying that a double-lynch would draw attention to a wolf has nothing to do with this matter. It just makes you all the more suspicious in my mind to first say that you cross-posted and then say why a double-lynch wouldn't be a good wolfish tactic.