The Silmarillion Survivor

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Arien.

The reasons others have said are good enough for me.

[Gothmog]

Ang:

Point of information: it's really Olwe who's pretending to be King while the Queen rules...

Correct...I thought of the Lotr-Celeborn. I shouldn't.

And Eonwe: to start with, how do you know there wouldn't be a Arwen? Celebrian might already be born and she needs a strong father-figure when Celeborn is gone. That will force Galadriel to go looking for a suitable man. And even if she's not looking for it, the visit in Nargothrond will make her meet Turin. Either he falls in love with her or she falls in love with him, it's written in the stars

Second: what do we care about the age of men, Aragorn, the fellowship or anything else far in the future? This is Silmarillion Survivor and we're not supposed to take the future in account. Look to the task and you'll see this is the best solution. The outcome is unpredictable, but just by throwing in an other female in the equation the possibility for disaster will be so much greater.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by the guy above me

Celebrian might already be born and she needs a strong father-figure when Celeborn is gone.

bolding mine...

well, ok, point taken about the age of men. however...

The outcome is unpredictable, but just by throwing in an other female in the equation the possibility for disaster will be so much greater.

i still think galadriel will become disinterested with life without celeborn. not even turin will revive her heart and passion for life. not to mention that there are other places she could look to for solace, such as melian (right were she is), or teh wilderness, where all hearts find peace.

and getting rid of celeborn would produce one possible addetive. getting rid of orodreth would produce many, many suitors for findulias' hand.

oo, oo, i just though of this too! when findulias sees that galadriel and turin have something going, she will turn back to Gwindor (both turin and findulias didn't really want to fall in love with eachother), thereby rendering the situation: defused.

hopefully these reasons will give teh celeborn bandwagon a few flat tires. if not ill try again...

[Gothmog]

Eonwe:

oo, oo, i just though of this too! when findulias sees that galadriel and turin have something going, she will turn back to Gwindor (both turin and findulias didn't really want to fall in love with eachother), thereby rendering the situation: defused.

Turin did never fall in love with Finduilas, did he?

Finduilas:

Túrin son of Húrin loves me not;nor will

Besides, I doubt she could have turned back to Gwindor as you say. She can't help falling in love with Turin and she can't undo those feelings. She wants to love Gwindor, like before his imprisonment, but felt drawn to Turin.

Getting more suitors for Finduilas will increase the chaos, but it's not a lack of Finduilas-admirers we suffer from. Gwindor loves Finduilas, Finduilas loves Turin and Turin loves nobody at this time. That's the empy space which needs to be filled, someone for Turin to love or someone to love Gwindor. Or even better: both. To maximize the anguish for loving and loved, that's the best solution. But if it failes, Galadriel can still fall in love with Turin. And let's face it, one famous elven queen or hundreds of nameless, faceless elf's loving Finduilas, what's most interesting?

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

Turin did never fall in love with Finduilas, did he?

really? i was under the impretion that he did. maybe it was toward the end. but i'm pretty sure at least that they were mutally turned toward eachother. you may be right (in which case i would have to scramble for a new argument) but i'm not sure. though now that i think of it, i do seem to remember turin counciling findulias to turn back to gwindor. aaarg, to many things to keep straight! oh well that's waht make re-reading fun...

if findulias assends the throne of nargrathond, maybe turin will fall in love with her. or at least the power she represents. that would add a great deal of angstyness into our concoction: fake love vs. true love vs no love vs rabid findulias fans. turnin's love, as you said, is the missing piece of our love tetrahedron...

[Gothmog]

But if Turin loves Finduilas (or her title, doesn't matter) and she loves him, wouldn't that make them happy? Alas(always loved that word) , poor Gwindor will go alone and unhappy, but one out of three? No, that's just not good enough. We'll make everybody unhappy and suffering

Either way, I'm going to bed now. I hope my arguments so far won't be overrun during my night, I expect voting for Celeborn to increase like an avalanche

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm not sold on the arguments for either Celeborn or Orodreth.

So, for want of a better candidate, and for the reasons earlier stated, I shall vote:

++ARIEN