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**The Saucepan Man** · 10-31-2005, 10:48 AM

Could be time to evict Morwen, so that Turin heads north out of concern for his sister. That would certainly lessen his impact on startegy and planning decisions within Nargothrond.

(Sorry Lalaith.

)

Tuor in Gondolin · 10-31-2005, 11:06 AM

Sound reasoning by SpM:

So: + + Morwen

Gothmog · 10-31-2005, 11:13 AM

If we evict Galadriel, would Turin leave Nargothrond? Maybe ha can't stand being around the place his loved lived when she's not around anymore? Whatever we do, to get Turin out of the place is a good idea... If he's gone, people will listen to Gwindor and the warnings of Gelmir and Arminas. Wait, that warning came to late after the bridge was built... Would a destruction of the bridge complete the task?

Anyway, how we're going to get Turin from Nargothrond with his big crush on the ruler there is a mystery to me. Therefore I nominate Galadriel as one alternative.

mormegil · 10-31-2005, 11:16 AM

If the curse of Morgoth goes many Turin related problems are bound to go away

++Curse of Morgoth

arcticstorm · 10-31-2005, 11:25 AM

While I agree Morm, maybe the best way to save Nargothrond is not to prevent the bridge from being built but to just get rid of Glaurung the leader, but then Morgoth may send in Ancalagon instead and that would be evern worse, so I will go with you to day and get rid of ++The Curse of Morgoth

Lalaith · 10-31-2005, 12:15 PM

Goodness, yesterday's love tetrahedron challenge has certainly left everything rather sticky for today's....I'm going to have to re-read this Narn episode again...although we've veered so far from the original plot that I'm not sure it's going to be much help.....

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-31-2005, 01:08 PM

Call me old-fashioned, but it seems to me to go rather against the spirit of the game to be voting off Curses. This is supposed to be a Reality Gameshow. In Reality Gameshows, people get voted off, not their circumstances or attributes. To me, it's rather like voting off Maedhros' High Kingship or Galadriel's beauty.

And it's rather a cop-out isn't it? Can't bring yourself to vote for any of the characters? That's OK, you can vote for an abstract state of being instead ...

And anyway, what would the Silmarillion be without Morgoth's Curse on Hurin and his family following through to its bitter end?

Seems to me that, for this challenge, the best vote for a character is one for ...

++MORWEN

For reasons earlier stated.

Anguirel · 10-31-2005, 01:16 PM

I disagree with you there, Saucie-bet you're surprised!-on the evicting curses point. I think the Curse and even more so the Doom really are distinct entities, vital characters in a sense, and so ought to be options for voting.

A suggestion-if you can succeed in both dethroning Galadriel and making Ereinion or Celebrimbor, not Finduilas, King of Nargothrond, then Turin may find the ruler less receptive. This would presumably be done by evicting Galadriel or double-evicting Galadriel and Finduilas.

Apart from that, the Curse is a solid, but rather tame choice for succeeding in this challenge. After some thought, I say the Doom should go instead-the Noldor have suffered plenty already, the lack of the Doom will lend them wisdom to resist Turin or strength to resist Morgoth, and that way Turin's tragic saga can be played to its end.

++MANDOS, DOOM OF

10-31-2005, 10:48 AM	#1
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Could be time to evict Morwen, so that Turin heads north out of concern for his sister. That would certainly lessen his impact on startegy and planning decisions within Nargothrond. (Sorry Lalaith. ) __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-31-2005, 11:06 AM	#2
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Sound reasoning by SpM: So: + + Morwen __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

10-31-2005, 11:13 AM	#3
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	If we evict Galadriel, would Turin leave Nargothrond? Maybe ha can't stand being around the place his loved lived when she's not around anymore? Whatever we do, to get Turin out of the place is a good idea... If he's gone, people will listen to Gwindor and the warnings of Gelmir and Arminas. Wait, that warning came to late after the bridge was built... Would a destruction of the bridge complete the task? Anyway, how we're going to get Turin from Nargothrond with his big crush on the ruler there is a mystery to me. Therefore I nominate Galadriel as one alternative. __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

10-31-2005, 11:16 AM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	If the curse of Morgoth goes many Turin related problems are bound to go away ++Curse of Morgoth __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

10-31-2005, 12:15 PM	#6
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Goodness, yesterday's love tetrahedron challenge has certainly left everything rather sticky for today's....I'm going to have to re-read this Narn episode again...although we've veered so far from the original plot that I'm not sure it's going to be much help..... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-31-2005, 11:25 AM	#5
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	While I agree Morm, maybe the best way to save Nargothrond is not to prevent the bridge from being built but to just get rid of Glaurung the leader, but then Morgoth may send in Ancalagon instead and that would be evern worse, so I will go with you to day and get rid of ++The Curse of Morgoth

10-31-2005, 01:08 PM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Call me old-fashioned, but it seems to me to go rather against the spirit of the game to be voting off Curses. This is supposed to be a Reality Gameshow. In Reality Gameshows, people get voted off, not their circumstances or attributes. To me, it's rather like voting off Maedhros' High Kingship or Galadriel's beauty. And it's rather a cop-out isn't it? Can't bring yourself to vote for any of the characters? That's OK, you can vote for an abstract state of being instead ... And anyway, what would the Silmarillion be without Morgoth's Curse on Hurin and his family following through to its bitter end? Seems to me that, for this challenge, the best vote for a character is one for ... ++MORWEN For reasons earlier stated. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-31-2005, 01:16 PM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I disagree with you there, Saucie-bet you're surprised!-on the evicting curses point. I think the Curse and even more so the Doom really are distinct entities, vital characters in a sense, and so ought to be options for voting. A suggestion-if you can succeed in both dethroning Galadriel and making Ereinion or Celebrimbor, not Finduilas, King of Nargothrond, then Turin may find the ruler less receptive. This would presumably be done by evicting Galadriel or double-evicting Galadriel and Finduilas. Apart from that, the Curse is a solid, but rather tame choice for succeeding in this challenge. After some thought, I say the Doom should go instead-the Noldor have suffered plenty already, the lack of the Doom will lend them wisdom to resist Turin or strength to resist Morgoth, and that way Turin's tragic saga can be played to its end. ++MANDOS, DOOM OF __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

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