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The 1,000 Reader · 11-02-2005, 01:34 AM

Gurthang hit the nail right on the head. Good job. Losing rank is not always bad. Gandalf's staff broke before he fought the balrog and that was because he was unleashing his power.

Gothmog, saying Sauron was more of a witchcraft person is fairly accurate. The problem was that his ego made him think that he was a warrior as well. Combat wasn't his strong point and his ego would most likely prevent him from making himself a greater form, such as a troll or a creature akin to a balrog. Like you also said, it is hard to judge a character's skill or greatness by a fight. I'll share my comments on these things when a thread is made for them. Until then, let the questions continue.

Marky Lazer · 11-02-2005, 05:58 AM

Who awoke Durin's Bane?

Where it Durin's mithril diggers?
Or was it Sauron?

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In Appendix A III (Durin's Folk) of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien hints that the Dwarves may in fact not have awoken the Balrog, but that instead it was the growing power of Sauron in nearby Dol Guldur that returned it to life. If this is true, then the Dwarves did no more than release the creature from its subterranean tomb. It is certainly notable that Durin's Bane appeared in the same year that the Nazgûl returned to Mordor.

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"Moria! Moria! Wonder of the Northern world! Too deep we delved there, and woke the nameless fear."
Words of Glóin from
The Lord of the Rings 2 II The Council of Elrond

The 1,000 Reader · 11-02-2005, 11:36 PM

Possibly both of the two. The balrog may have even been awoken by the Witch-King while he was fleeing Angmar, but this is a topic for another day.

Eonwe · 11-03-2005, 08:10 AM

ok here's a question that has always bothered me. in the world of middle-earth, "magic" and "sorcery" are words the Hobbits uses to describe innate abilities that they don't understand, right.

Ok if that is true, what about the Mouth of Sauron. I believe it says that he is "much learned in sorcery", or something along those lines. how can you learn innate ablilites?

Rimbaud · 11-03-2005, 08:28 AM

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...how can you learn innate ablilites?

Rimfucious he say: the nesting chick has the innate ability to fly - it still needs to learn how.

Gothmog · 11-03-2005, 05:07 PM

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):

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Also, I always thought that the term Umaia referred to only those Maiar who turned evil (Sauron, Balrogs), but that may just be because it reminds me of the Quenya word Umea "evil", so that might not have any truth to it.

My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Formendacil · 11-03-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):
My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Actually... I have no idea where Neithan was getting that information from. Could be a typo, could be something I don't know and/or have forgotten, of course, but I've never heard of the word "umea" before, in connection with Quenya, or with Middle-Earth at all.

11-02-2005, 11:36 PM	#3
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Possibly both of the two. The balrog may have even been awoken by the Witch-King while he was fleeing Angmar, but this is a topic for another day. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

11-03-2005, 08:10 AM	#4
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	ok here's a question that has always bothered me. in the world of middle-earth, "magic" and "sorcery" are words the Hobbits uses to describe innate abilities that they don't understand, right. Ok if that is true, what about the Mouth of Sauron. I believe it says that he is "much learned in sorcery", or something along those lines. how can you learn innate ablilites? __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

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11-02-2005, 01:34 AM	#1
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Gurthang hit the nail right on the head. Good job. Losing rank is not always bad. Gandalf's staff broke before he fought the balrog and that was because he was unleashing his power. Gothmog, saying Sauron was more of a witchcraft person is fairly accurate. The problem was that his ego made him think that he was a warrior as well. Combat wasn't his strong point and his ego would most likely prevent him from making himself a greater form, such as a troll or a creature akin to a balrog. Like you also said, it is hard to judge a character's skill or greatness by a fight. I'll share my comments on these things when a thread is made for them. Until then, let the questions continue. __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains