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Gothmog · 11-03-2005, 05:07 PM

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):

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Also, I always thought that the term Umaia referred to only those Maiar who turned evil (Sauron, Balrogs), but that may just be because it reminds me of the Quenya word Umea "evil", so that might not have any truth to it.

My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Formendacil · 11-03-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

A quick question about language then. I tried searching the internet but came up with nothing so now I'm turning to you people. This quote is from a post by Neithan on the thread uh.. wots a maiar ???/ ( post #14):
My question to you is, does Umea mean evil? I haven't found that translation anywhere.

It would be rather funny as I live in a town called Umeå right now and with english spelling that becomes...Well, you see my point.

Even if this turns out wrong, can somebody recommend a good elvish-english english-elvish translator? Thank you!

P.S. I don't know if questions regarding language belong here, but to me it's a misc. question...Forgive me if there's some other, better suited thread for this kind of linguistic matters.

/That villanious, very crazy Balrog (or was it Balrog lover?)

Actually... I have no idea where Neithan was getting that information from. Could be a typo, could be something I don't know and/or have forgotten, of course, but I've never heard of the word "umea" before, in connection with Quenya, or with Middle-Earth at all.

Aiwendil · 11-04-2005, 10:53 AM

The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

Maerbenn · 11-04-2005, 04:36 PM

“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.

Gothmog · 11-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good...

bilbo_baggins · 11-07-2005, 02:20 PM

Does anyone know if Gimli was the only dwarf to go to the Undying lands? And would the Hobbits and Gimli die even after they live there? How could the Vala change the gift of mortality? And does Sam go to Valinor later?

Gurthang · 11-07-2005, 03:57 PM

Well, I can answer one of your questions. If you look towards the very end of Appendix B you'll find.

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Originally Posted by Return of the King: Appendix B

1482 Death of Mistress Rose, wife of Master Samwise, on Mid-year's Day. On Sptemeber 22 Master Samwise rides out from Bag End. He comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor, to whom he gives the Red Book afterwards kept by the Fairbairns. Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers, and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over the Sea, last of the Ring-bearers.

Shortly after that is where it says that Legolas took Gimli with him to Valinor. I'd guess that there were no other dwarves there, but I don't have any text that could back that up.

11-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#5
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Thank you very much people! I'm now (almost) sure I live in "EVIL". Feels good... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker...

11-07-2005, 02:20 PM	#6
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	Does anyone know if Gimli was the only dwarf to go to the Undying lands? And would the Hobbits and Gimli die even after they live there? How could the Vala change the gift of mortality? And does Sam go to Valinor later? __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."

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11-04-2005, 10:53 AM	#3
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	The Quettaparma Quenyanna gives "umea" as "evil". But I have checked the two sources it gives (HoMe IX and XI) and cannot find the word.

11-04-2005, 04:36 PM	#4
Maerbenn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 59	“[Q] úmea evil” can be found under the entry for ugu- and UMU- in ‘The Etymologies’ published in HoMe V: The Lost Road and Other Writings.