Star Wars and Middle-Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kath · 11-11-2005, 03:32 AM

Lucas definitely looked at some Tolkien. There was an interview with him in Empire a while back for Revenge of the Sith and he said that Endor (the moon where the Ewoks lived) was a translation of Middle Earth!

It is true though that any fantasy epic is going to have the same basic components in it's storyline simply because it needs them to be a fantasy eipc. Comparing them is fun but I doubt it will lead to any major revelations like - George Lucas is Tolkien's long lost son!

Holbytlass · 11-14-2005, 04:35 PM

Another interesting comparison to this fun thread.....

Obi-Wan/Gandalf: both sacrificed themselves for the greater good (Being killed by Vader, falling in Moria) and coming out stronger in the end.

Elu Ancalime · 12-20-2005, 09:05 PM

Star wars is secular. There is no being to deal out judgement, like eru or the valar. the force exists; it does not tell how to use it. the concept of good and bad in star wars is all perspective, which i learned after seeing the revenge of the sith. After death, there is no power to punish the sith, or for that matter, the jedi. So the rebellion is not good, and the empire is not evil. They just veiw tings in conlict. There is no salvation in star wars, as far as we know, you could be a sith with 9 wives, who cursed and all that, with nobody to tell you wrong. I would suspect because of the technological advances in star wars, being in the future, religion would have died out for the most part. Except a' long long time a go,' says it was a while ago, except 'in a galaxy far way' refutes that.
I really do rant too much, and this is my second religous post of the day, so im just thinking about it. Again, if this offends you in anyway, you dont have to respond, or hate, because i respect everybodys beliefs, and, well, yeah. Sorry about all that.
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12-27-2005, 10:37 PM

Lord of the Rings can be compared with many other books and stories as well, it just depends on how you interpert it. From WWI and WW2 to the Bible, you can find many similarities.

Elu Ancalime · 12-28-2005, 08:32 PM

True. I was so caught up in my religous rant i forgot about WWI. Tolkien saw LotR like WWI,"lads going off on adventures and not coming back." He was in the RAF wasn't he?
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Lindolirian · 12-28-2005, 09:04 PM

Tolkien was not in the Air Force; he was in the infantry and fought in the Battle of the Somme with the Lancashire Fusiliers.

Eluchíl · 12-29-2005, 04:53 AM

More evidence that LotR is an allegory for WWI.

As far as SW's relation...I think that's just a lot of coincidence.

yavanna II · 01-03-2006, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

Lucas definitely looked at some Tolkien. There was an interview with him in Empire a while back for Revenge of the Sith and he said that Endor (the moon where the Ewoks lived) was a translation of Middle Earth!

wow. My dad told me about this, but I thought he was bluffing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

It is true though that any fantasy epic is going to have the same basic components in it's storyline simply because it needs them to be a fantasy eipc. Comparing them is fun but I doubt it will lead to any major revelations like - George Lucas is Tolkien's long lost son!

Ooh. BUt i think that even though SW and LotR have cliche and history-based plots, they're really cleverly written.

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Eluchíl · 01-04-2006, 03:05 AM

As a matter of fact you can see many similarties between not only great works, but great works of fiction. Inspiration is a key element in creativity. But, saying that Yoda is Gandalf, or that Aragorn is Luke...well, that's just looking too much into it I think.

Enedhilion · 02-10-2006, 08:25 AM

And Denethor is the counterpart of Jar Jar Binks.

...

Right.

Well, I think these two stories can compare to almost anything.

Good vs. evil, and many other themes.

11-11-2005, 03:32 AM	#1
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Lucas definitely looked at some Tolkien. There was an interview with him in Empire a while back for Revenge of the Sith and he said that Endor (the moon where the Ewoks lived) was a translation of Middle Earth! It is true though that any fantasy epic is going to have the same basic components in it's storyline simply because it needs them to be a fantasy eipc. Comparing them is fun but I doubt it will lead to any major revelations like - George Lucas is Tolkien's long lost son! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

11-14-2005, 04:35 PM	#2
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Another interesting comparison to this fun thread..... Obi-Wan/Gandalf: both sacrificed themselves for the greater good (Being killed by Vader, falling in Moria) and coming out stronger in the end. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

12-20-2005, 09:05 PM	#3
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Star wars is secular. There is no being to deal out judgement, like eru or the valar. the force exists; it does not tell how to use it. the concept of good and bad in star wars is all perspective, which i learned after seeing the revenge of the sith. After death, there is no power to punish the sith, or for that matter, the jedi. So the rebellion is not good, and the empire is not evil. They just veiw tings in conlict. There is no salvation in star wars, as far as we know, you could be a sith with 9 wives, who cursed and all that, with nobody to tell you wrong. I would suspect because of the technological advances in star wars, being in the future, religion would have died out for the most part. Except a' long long time a go,' says it was a while ago, except 'in a galaxy far way' refutes that. I really do rant too much, and this is my second religous post of the day, so im just thinking about it. Again, if this offends you in anyway, you dont have to respond, or hate, because i respect everybodys beliefs, and, well, yeah. Sorry about all that. ________ Honda S2000 history Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 10:24 PM.

12-28-2005, 08:32 PM	#5
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	True. I was so caught up in my religous rant i forgot about WWI. Tolkien saw LotR like WWI,"lads going off on adventures and not coming back." He was in the RAF wasn't he? ________ BUY GLASS BONG Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 10:30 PM.

12-28-2005, 09:04 PM	#6
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Tolkien was not in the Air Force; he was in the infantry and fought in the Battle of the Somme with the Lancashire Fusiliers. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-27-2005, 10:37 PM	#4
BlackRiderofAngmar Guest Posts: n/a	Lord of the Rings can be compared with many other books and stories as well, it just depends on how you interpert it. From WWI and WW2 to the Bible, you can find many similarities.

12-29-2005, 04:53 AM	#7
Eluchíl Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 32	More evidence that LotR is an allegory for WWI. As far as SW's relation...I think that's just a lot of coincidence.

01-04-2006, 03:05 AM	#9
Eluchíl Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 32	As a matter of fact you can see many similarties between not only great works, but great works of fiction. Inspiration is a key element in creativity. But, saying that Yoda is Gandalf, or that Aragorn is Luke...well, that's just looking too much into it I think.

02-10-2006, 08:25 AM	#10
Enedhilion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 19	And Denethor is the counterpart of Jar Jar Binks. ... Right. Well, I think these two stories can compare to almost anything. Good vs. evil, and many other themes.

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