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Lalaith · 11-13-2005, 12:35 PM

Why did you do that Kitanna? The field was still open, there were five of us left to vote...and I for one would only have voted for you if I had to, to save myself. You're not very high on my list of suspects. Mind you, my list is a bit of a mess at the moment. Sigh. I've now read all the posts of today and I'm still not feeling at all confident about anything.

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And it's so hard to know just what Lalaith thinks

Tell me about it, tar-a, today I don't know what to think. I know what tar-a means about logic going round in circles. Part of the problem is that there are still doubts swirling around in my mind, I'll feel more clear and focused tomorrow. (I'm assuming here that I will still be here tomorrow, and that poor Wilwa will be killed tonight...)
And I personally would have much preferred wilwa to dream of someone other than Eonwe, who I was already feeling fairly comfortable about.
One point I should clear up, LMP:

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What would a werewolf's purpose be in bringing me up,

What I was referring to was my earlier bit of paranoia, whereby you, wilwa and Firefoot were all werewolves, I realised that my reasoning was flawed because it was unlikely for you and wilwa both to be werewolves due to voting patterns. (And of course that particular triumvirate theory has now collapsed anyway as Wayne was a wolf.)
My inclination, given my current confusion, is to go with the consensus today.

(just seen Firefoot's post, clearly as surprised by Kitanna as I am)

Kitanna · 11-13-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Why did you do that Kitanna?

I'd like to explain the stupid and pointless thing to clear up confusion. Personally, I will not have the time to say anything for the last few days. I have a mountain of homework waiting to get done. So I feel for me to stay in and only have time to come on and vote without any reason is silly for me to do. It's not going to help anyone if I do that. That's why I voted for myself.

Lalaith · 11-13-2005, 02:05 PM

Ah, ok. Well maybe it's for the best then.
++KITANNA

littlemanpoet · 11-13-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'd like to explain the stupid and pointless thing to clear up confusion. Personally, I will not have the time to say anything for the last few days. I have a mountain of homework waiting to get done. So I feel for me to stay in and only have time to come on and vote without any reason is silly for me to do. It's not going to help anyone if I do that. That's why I voted for myself.

In other words, Kitanna's vote for herself tells us nothing about her guilt or innocence. That's what I suspected.

I'm rather intrigued by tar's take on Occam's Razor, such that Kitanna is one werewolf, leaving Glir, Lal, & me as a "triumverate" amongst whom there is one more. On that logic, I know I'm not a werewolf (I don't expect anybody to take that at face value, decide for yourselves), I am confident that Glirdan is not a werewolf, and would like to hear more from Firefoot why she thinks he is, which leaves (of the triuverate), Lalaith as the remaining werewolf. That is, of course, presuming the innocence of tar, which is in no wise a cleared up issue for me. However, enough votes may be garnered for a double lynching again, of Kitanna & Lalaith, but only with the cooperation of Lalaith. Hah. Fat chance. Since that's the case, I might as well put in my vote for....

++ KITANNA

..... well aware that mine is the deciding vote. If she is a werewolf, my credibility is improved (though not guaranteed); if she is innocent, I suddenly look pretty bad ... again. But that's not guaranteed either.

One last thing to point out: there are two people about whom we keep on saying "says much and gives analysis but you can't determine guilt or innocence by it" - those two are Kitanna & Lalaith. But to complicate things, I find the same thing to be true of tar-ancalime. So in my opinion, which is actually only reiterating what I've said before, our two werwolves are to be found amongst those three.

Finally, thanks very much, Wilwa, for identifying a werewolf and bestowing upon us three known innocents. You have really aided the chances of a villager victory .... that is, if you're not lying through your teeth. With no Ranger, the werewolves must kill you tonight, so I bid you in advance fond rememberances: may you rest in peace, though I do not doubt it will also be in pieces.

If Wilwa survives the night, it is because the werewolves are making a desperate gambit to make her look like a liar and throw us all off the hunt. So just in case, let me suggest that Wilwa dream of Lalaith, and the Hunter pick the same. Those are suggestions, of course; I have never tried to force myself upon this group as leader, though I have been accused of it. I can't help it if you see me as a likely leader, but I have never demanded it of anyone. Just a little "bone" to pick there (coughLalaithcough).

EDIT: cross posted with Lalaith. I may have typed out my vote before she did, but that doesn't count. Therefore, the "cleared" or "not cleared" that is no guarantee now falls to Lal as much as me. Well, that's just mucky and mirey as most of this game has been, since we yet again have a bandwagon.

wilwarin538 · 11-13-2005, 02:29 PM

Actually I have reread every post since the start of the game. I admit I might have been wrong about Lalaith. I'm going to dream of tar-a toNight, if anything to get rid of this uncertainty I now have for her.

It seems that ever since the start both Kitanna and tar-a, and Wayne for that matter were all very quiet. Though Tar and Kitanna posted a little more. It just seems like both of them have been doing a good job of avoiding suspicion, for the most part.

I think perhaps that Tar would be a better lynch choice for toMorrow.

Now that was definetely my last post.

Again, its been fun, and thanks LMP.

Firefoot · 11-13-2005, 02:34 PM

As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me. He is less suspicious than tar and about the same as Lalaith right now. At this point, there are so few suspects that anyone who doesn't actually seem innocent to me is on my suspect list. Of those three, tar is my top suspect.

And even though it's pretty pointless:

++Kitanna

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 11-13-2005, 02:45 PM

Shadows had already grown long as the villagers trod to the square. The villagers had decided: Kitanna had got to be a wolf. Her vote had been rather peculiar, besides, what kind of an honest people would become a goat herder, anyway?

"Time to separate the sheep from the goats", Anguirel muttered.

"Yeah, yeah, I'm not in the mood for this now. I'm busy, so try to be quick with this, will you?" Kitanna snorted.

The villagers agreed that Kitanna's request was reasonable. Now the only question was, how they could lynch her as swiftly as possible.

"We could stone her", Wilwarin suggested.

"No, no, there's not enough rocks close at hand and it would take too long to go collecting some", tar-ancalime remarked.

"Oh, I know, we can break her back", Lalaith said pointing at thick branches on the ground, but her idea was turned down. "That wouldn't necessarily kill her instantly. It could take even minutes to get her lynched like that", Glirdan said.

"Let's just have her head and be done with it", Eonwe and littlemanpoet cried.

"You slothful slackers! I really don't have time for this", Kitanna snarled, and with that, she fell on all fours and underwent a hideous metamorphosis. In front of the villagers' eyes crouched now Kitanna in most unearthy form. Bristling her back hair the beast charged forward, but before she reached any of the gaping villagers (or Firefoot's dog), a stone of the size of a fist thwacked her between the eyes with a nasty thud. Only seconds after, the villagers had cracked Kitanna's backbone and cut her head off. It was a bloody mess, but granted, it didn't take long. The villagers had killed already their second wolf!

Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan
Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4

Score:
Villagers: 8
Wolves: 1

It is now Night 5. Wolf, Seer and Hunter, send me your picks, please. The Night ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Good Night, sleep tight!

littlemanpoet · 11-13-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me.

What about his consistent suspicion of Lalaith? Werewolves are rarely that consistent, needing to "go with the flow" of debate, unless they don't have to, of course.....

Go ahead, Spawn, I'll shut up now.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 11-14-2005, 03:00 PM

"Let me show you the world in my eyes"

As expected, Wilwarin538 didn't show up to the square that morning. Although the villagers understood that the remaining wolf had probably been rather thorough with her, they went to call on her cabin.

Wilwarin lived in a pretty little house that had white window ledges, lace curtains and a veranda made of gingerbread. Daisies and Lilies flourished in her garden and the whole setting looked very dreamy as it bathed in the morning light. The villagers knocked on her door without getting any answer. After a little pursuit they found a key under a flower pot and opened the door.

Nothing inside the house suggested that something was wrong. Everything was nice and clean there and a dozy silence hung in the air. The group wandered around the house, but they saw no sign of Wilwarin. "Where is the poor dear", they whispered as they climbed upstairs to her bedroom. It was empty as well, but on her night table they saw her dream journal. She had been the Seer after all.

A terrible croaking and screeching outside the house broke the calm dawn and interrupted the villagers' search. They rushed downstairs, through the house and out of the door to Wilwarin's backyard. Her beautiful flower beds and vegetable patches were swarming with crows and ravens. Completely oblivious to a scarecrow in a corner of the yard, the birds squabbled over food with their feathers flying. Suddenly to the horror of the villagers, they realized that it was no scarecrow that guarded the garden so poorly, but it was their daydreamer who was impaled with a hay pole and she stared at the villagers with empty eye sockets and an agonized grimace on her fair face. Down at her feet, two crows fought for her eyes until the other one flew away with his catch.

Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5

Score:
Villagers: 7
Wolves: 1

It is now Day 5. Wolf, you may PM with yourself if you want to. Villagers, you have a chance to end this toDay. Have fun!
Ps. Sorry about yesterDay.

Firefoot · 11-14-2005, 03:50 PM

Dear Wilwa, may you rest in peace. Sorry I doubted you.

Of the people left... 1. tar, 2. Glirdan and 3. Lalaith. My suspicion of Glirdan is almost purely circumstantial - in all likelihood I will not be voting for him today. As for Lalaith, I had been intending to hold her as innocent based on the supposition that all three wolves would not vote the same; however, being that Wayne was the last to vote and his vote seemed a little odd anyway, I'm not going to wholly discount her. I probably won't be voting for her either, though. That only leaves tar, whom I've been suspicious of for a while anyway. At this point, I don't see any reason why my vote would not go to her.

11-13-2005, 02:05 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ah, ok. Well maybe it's for the best then. ++KITANNA __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-13-2005, 02:29 PM	#5
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Actually I have reread every post since the start of the game. I admit I might have been wrong about Lalaith. I'm going to dream of tar-a toNight, if anything to get rid of this uncertainty I now have for her. It seems that ever since the start both Kitanna and tar-a, and Wayne for that matter were all very quiet. Though Tar and Kitanna posted a little more. It just seems like both of them have been doing a good job of avoiding suspicion, for the most part. I think perhaps that Tar would be a better lynch choice for toMorrow. Now that was definetely my last post. Again, its been fun, and thanks LMP. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

11-13-2005, 02:45 PM	#7
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Closing the day a bit early, apologies. Shadows had already grown long as the villagers trod to the square. The villagers had decided: Kitanna had got to be a wolf. Her vote had been rather peculiar, besides, what kind of an honest people would become a goat herder, anyway? "Time to separate the sheep from the goats", Anguirel muttered. "Yeah, yeah, I'm not in the mood for this now. I'm busy, so try to be quick with this, will you?" Kitanna snorted. The villagers agreed that Kitanna's request was reasonable. Now the only question was, how they could lynch her as swiftly as possible. "We could stone her", Wilwarin suggested. "No, no, there's not enough rocks close at hand and it would take too long to go collecting some", tar-ancalime remarked. "Oh, I know, we can break her back", Lalaith said pointing at thick branches on the ground, but her idea was turned down. "That wouldn't necessarily kill her instantly. It could take even minutes to get her lynched like that", Glirdan said. "Let's just have her head and be done with it", Eonwe and littlemanpoet cried. "You slothful slackers! I really don't have time for this", Kitanna snarled, and with that, she fell on all fours and underwent a hideous metamorphosis. In front of the villagers' eyes crouched now Kitanna in most unearthy form. Bristling her back hair the beast charged forward, but before she reached any of the gaping villagers (or Firefoot's dog), a stone of the size of a fist thwacked her between the eyes with a nasty thud. Only seconds after, the villagers had cracked Kitanna's backbone and cut her head off. It was a bloody mess, but granted, it didn't take long. The villagers had killed already their second wolf! Living: Anguirel - jester Eonwe - militiaman Firefoot - traveller who has a dog Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose Lalaith - goosegirl littlemanpoet - village undertaker tar-ancalime - charlatan Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer Dead: dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1 Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1 Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2 Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2 Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3 WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3 Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4 Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4 Score: Villagers: 8 Wolves: 1 It is now Night 5. Wolf, Seer and Hunter, send me your picks, please. The Night ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Good Night, sleep tight!

11-14-2005, 03:00 PM	#9
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Day 5 "Let me show you the world in my eyes" As expected, Wilwarin538 didn't show up to the square that morning. Although the villagers understood that the remaining wolf had probably been rather thorough with her, they went to call on her cabin. Wilwarin lived in a pretty little house that had white window ledges, lace curtains and a veranda made of gingerbread. Daisies and Lilies flourished in her garden and the whole setting looked very dreamy as it bathed in the morning light. The villagers knocked on her door without getting any answer. After a little pursuit they found a key under a flower pot and opened the door. Nothing inside the house suggested that something was wrong. Everything was nice and clean there and a dozy silence hung in the air. The group wandered around the house, but they saw no sign of Wilwarin. "Where is the poor dear", they whispered as they climbed upstairs to her bedroom. It was empty as well, but on her night table they saw her dream journal. She had been the Seer after all. A terrible croaking and screeching outside the house broke the calm dawn and interrupted the villagers' search. They rushed downstairs, through the house and out of the door to Wilwarin's backyard. Her beautiful flower beds and vegetable patches were swarming with crows and ravens. Completely oblivious to a scarecrow in a corner of the yard, the birds squabbled over food with their feathers flying. Suddenly to the horror of the villagers, they realized that it was no scarecrow that guarded the garden so poorly, but it was their daydreamer who was impaled with a hay pole and she stared at the villagers with empty eye sockets and an agonized grimace on her fair face. Down at her feet, two crows fought for her eyes until the other one flew away with his catch. Living: Anguirel - jester Eonwe - militiaman Firefoot - traveller who has a dog Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose Lalaith - goosegirl littlemanpoet - village undertaker tar-ancalime - charlatan Dead: dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1 Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1 Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2 Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2 Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3 WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3 Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4 Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4 Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5 Score: Villagers: 7 Wolves: 1 It is now Day 5. Wolf, you may PM with yourself if you want to. Villagers, you have a chance to end this toDay. Have fun! Ps. Sorry about yesterDay.

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11-13-2005, 02:34 PM	#6
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me. He is less suspicious than tar and about the same as Lalaith right now. At this point, there are so few suspects that anyone who doesn't actually seem innocent to me is on my suspect list. Of those three, tar is my top suspect. And even though it's pretty pointless: ++Kitanna

11-14-2005, 03:50 PM	#10
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Dear Wilwa, may you rest in peace. Sorry I doubted you. Of the people left... 1. tar, 2. Glirdan and 3. Lalaith. My suspicion of Glirdan is almost purely circumstantial - in all likelihood I will not be voting for him today. As for Lalaith, I had been intending to hold her as innocent based on the supposition that all three wolves would not vote the same; however, being that Wayne was the last to vote and his vote seemed a little odd anyway, I'm not going to wholly discount her. I probably won't be voting for her either, though. That only leaves tar, whom I've been suspicious of for a while anyway. At this point, I don't see any reason why my vote would not go to her.