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Old 12-21-2005, 11:06 PM   #1
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This game is doing a remarkably good job of keeping my confused. Nobody seems particularly innocent to me- or particularly guilty. Morm and his manipulating seems so blatant that I am half-tempted to think him a Hero deftly conducting the tune of the entire village. And yet, this is so similar to his record, to his past Innocent self, that I am loathe to condemn him based on this alone. If some wolf, more analytical than I, were to dig up the evidence to convict him, I could well be persuaded to vote along with them, but as things stand... well, I just can't justify it to myself.

Of the names that keep occupying the top suspicion spot today, Gurthang, Farael, and Nonnacedak, I am inclined to think Farael guilty. His actions seem to be those more of an Innocent who has never been in one of these situations before than of a Hero slipping up.

Gurthang is a good deal more sedate and less confusing than I am used to, but this very fact inclines me to think that he is guilty. Looking at the rest of the evidence, I really don't have any reasons leaping out at me as guilty, but this one reason is enough to worry me.

Nonnacedak is a bit of a wild card. Although his actions have been rather suspicious thus far, his normal style on the forums is such that I am almost tempted to see him as a sort of Wayne- for which reason I am hesitant to condemn him as guilty, as well as the fact that, like Farael, he's a newcomer to this game.

Of the three, Nonnacedak is the most suspicious of the three, and if nothing transpires in the coming hour or so to speak up for someone else's guilt, I shall likely vote for him due to a lack of options, but I like it not...
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Old 12-22-2005, 12:37 AM   #2
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Over an hour, and not a post on this thread. More spectacularly, not a post on the whole forum, that I could see...

Well, I'm as good as my word. It is 11:30 pm here, time for me to sleep, and- more importantly- to post my vote of the night. I do not think I shall return ere the end of the night.

As promised, I shall vote for Nonnacedak, having seen nothing new regarding anybody, and being entirely too tired to think up a different strategy.

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Old 12-22-2005, 01:15 AM   #3
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I guess Im moving up people's suspect lists pretty fast and I can already see the bandwagon starting. Like I said people just like to pick on someone that is different . Oh well....

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If Gurthang really is a Hero and I end up dying tonight let me just say that I hope all you accusers burn in the afterlife!
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Old 12-22-2005, 01:32 AM   #4
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Excellent job, Master Draugluin! I see someone who will be treating us to plenty of flesh at the end of this ordeal... (hoping Sauron stays alive to reward him, of course)

Well, well, the past Day and Night has been wonderful for the village (except for the death of poor Kitanna, but she pretty much brought it upon herself), and the rate we're going I daresay we'll be killing off these nasty heroes in a few Nights! But as they say, a cornered foe becomes more dangerous, for he will do anyhting to save his skin. So all the more reason for us to be careful and vigilant.

This might be rather odd for me to say but toNight, as I was going through the happenings after I left last Night, I chanced upon Rune's *snarl* comments about me. For a while it made me feel good that someone trusted me enough to believe I am innocent, but after finding out that he was a hero those same words made my fur stand on end. It might have been his strategy to latch himself onto a proven innocent (in his and the other heroes', as well as my eyes, that is) to give him some sense of belonging to this village or whatever his intention was. But realizing that made me think that the other heroes might be doing something similar, to a different degree and form.

Now I recall Gurthang saying something about a shadow of his named Meneltarmacil. I will not be quick to say anything conclusive regarding that, but I believe that in this scenario if anyone is likely to be supected more it is Gurthang. Although it's funny that Menel doesn't seem to have noticed this comment...maybe he's just shrugged it off or something, I don't know. I'm inclined to think that Menel is a werewolf what with all his helpfulness and his being instrumental to the discovery of Rune's heroism but these heroes can be incredibly tricksy...
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:52 AM   #5
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Well, I have been listening to everyone's comments and to be honest, I have very little to go on with. There is not really anyone who sticks out from the rest as "most guilty". Perhaps some will think that's me and let me tell you, you will be making a big mistake. But of course, that plays into the hands of the Heroes so expect (and maybe suspect) someone to react to my words.

Perhaps I will not live to see another moonrise but mark my words, by tomorrow evening I will not be the only one feeling sad that I'm dead.

I shall meditate a little over what has been said today and then I shall cast my vote. Don't expect it too be very logical as odds are I'll go with my gut feeling at the time of the vote. What can I say? It might have been the Christmas bug but there has been very little posting to work with, and everyone is far more experienced than myself so it's not an easy task to read into what is said.

For those who suspect me this will probably be the 'confirmation' of that suspicion... but listen to my words, I am no Sauron and that's for sure but when I'm dead, see who has been accusing me. I'm not sure everyone who has done it has his/her hands clean.

And as I am pretty much surrending myself as the sacrificial goat for to-night, I shall give you another hint for when you analyze what went wrong... I already explained my vote for spawn, it was not as much that she talked little for I knew she would, but for the content of what she did say. It's not about quantity but quality.

Just to help you all after I'm dead.... even if I cannot convince you of my thoughts on other people, I can surely tell you what I think.

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Old 12-22-2005, 02:58 AM   #6
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Well, I was studying the posts of our previously revealed adversary Rune, hoping to find something substantial. Make of it what you will.

(post #68) Expresses suspicion of Wayne, Nonna, and Farael, saying they acted kind of odd. Gives Nonna and Farael another chance and votes for Wayne due to his unpredictability.

That probably doesn't automatically make them innocent. My instincts actually lead me to think that the one of the two he did not vote for could, however unlikely, be his fellow heroes, and he was just trying to dissociate himself from them. The vote for Wayne, on the other hand, could be a vote for a fellow hero that he hopes nobody will really notice. Everyone seemed to be quite oblivious of Wayne, anyway.

(post #126) Explains his vote for Wayne upon the questioning of Meneltarmacil. It doesn't really matter, now.

(post #131) Agrees with Farael's theory on heroes that they were not (much) involved in the Glirdan bandwagon, or at least that's how I understood it. I think he meant that a hero was likely to "start" the bandwagon, meaning voting first without "knowing" that it would end up being a bandwagon. Note that his conclusion says "or all of the heroes is among us who did not vote for Glirdan or Noona (sic)." Hmm...well, he was one of those, having voted for Wayne. Perhaps he's telling the truth, or was "trying to remove attention from his friends," as he later suspected of Farael.

"We should not take it for granted that the heroes would join a bandwagon," he also said. I think he's right about that.

(post #145) Here's the "scary" post I told you about above. Perhaps there's something we can glean from the reasons he said he's "sure" I'm innocent. Perhaps not. But see for yourself.
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1. I agree with allmost anything she says, she is just better to get the message across than I am.

2. She does not seem eager about making people follow her path, but just states what she thinks and then let people decide. (others can be very agressive tryong to convince people that they are right)

3. She refusses to jump on a bandwagon unless there is a reaseon, she is the only one actually cuestioning the one on Noona. While others has just continued as if it was the most natural thing in the world.
Also, he almost removes Nonna from his list, but still finds it odd that he seemed to vote with vengeance by voting for one who originally voted for him (i.e. dancing spawn). For some reason this makes me suspect Nonna a bit more.

Farael, he said, seems reasonable on one hand but rather sneaky on the other. Then he says he has an odd feeling about Formendacil. With this maybe I can peg Formendacil as an innocent werewolf.

(post #146) His desperation post as he accuses Formendacil on rather shaky grounds, and admits it's no great case. Now I'm sure Formendacil's a true wolf...unless this is more deception.

(post #150) Most remarkable here is his defensiveness for being ranked by Wayne as third most suspicious. Perhaps Wayne is innocent...or more clever than we think?

(post #165) Insists that he doesn't trust me, but simply does not suspect me (turns out we think alike, or so he says), specially due to the fact that I merely speak my mind and am not persuasive.

Well, that's the end of that. There was little to go on, but I think he's revealed more than he means to. We shall see.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:08 AM   #7
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Well, well, Farael, giving up the fight already are we? Let me tell you this, you remind me of someone I know: me. Therefore I think you really are innocent. Not that that made sense.

The time is drawing near for me to leave, and so I will once again think back and think well. Then vote.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:20 AM   #8
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Silmaril triple-posting...cool!

Well, I'm rather unwilling to vote for Nonnacedak just yet. I know I haven't mentioned him much toNight but he really doesn't sit well with me. He fits in with Rune's categorization of the heroes anyway, if we'll believe him.

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:31 AM   #9
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My apologies for not being around earlier.

I will also apologise for being so useless up to now. With all my recent treachery in the lands of Beleriand and Middle-earth I had forgotten just how difficult it is to discover the secrets of traitors. I can make little sense of what has happened so far. I am utterly clueless as to who the Heroes are; however I am fairly certain of the identity of two innocents and, now, three gifteds.

I'll be back on in a little while with my suspect list.
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:32 AM   #10
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I could vote for Gurthang to save my furry face, but has anyone noted the lack of real arguments Menel has had against me?

He basically went for defending me for being just a little different to suspecting me because I say little. This change of mind also happened after Huan was revealed, and I must admit that I could have been confusing for some honest wolves searching for the truth. He was also the first one to vote for Rune, so he could not know we would actually devour Rune after all. Here's an interesting tidbit I found on post number 187

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It seems my theory may have been correct. Rune, "Hero #3," is now dead, and that leaves Heroes 1 and 2, at least one of which likely voted for Glirdan the first round. I find it unlikely that one of them voted for Rune, at least not early on.
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Was he not the first one to vote for Rune? I might be mistaken as it is quite late and I might have the context wrong, but I was going over his posts looking for any serious reasons for suspecting me and I have found this instead. Also, he did vote Gilrdan on the first night, for those of you suspecting someone from that group of voters (in which I'm included)

Having a retaliatory vote is not exactly what I need right now but if anyone, my suspect included, explains to me both his lack of reasons for voting this innocent man and his slip up regarding Rune's devouring, I shall publicly apologise to...

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:23 AM   #11
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Now I recall Gurthang saying something about a shadow of his named Meneltarmacil. I will not be quick to say anything conclusive regarding that, but I believe that in this scenario if anyone is likely to be supected more it is Gurthang. Although it's funny that Menel doesn't seem to have noticed this comment...maybe he's just shrugged it off or something, I don't know. I'm inclined to think that Menel is a werewolf what with all his helpfulness and his being instrumental to the discovery of Rune's heroism but these heroes can be incredibly tricksy...
I'd like to note that I put this really as a side thought. Hence me not being suspicious of Meneltarmacil. I had just found it (some of the posting) as strange. First, I posted mocking suspicion of Nonna for being a scavenger. Menel did the same shortly after. I also seem to remember him saying something about there being one hero vote for Glirdan, one for Nonna, and one for another werewolf. I had said much the same a little earlier. I think there was one other thing, I don't remember, but I had just found those a little odd. Maybe we are simply thinking along the same lines, but I thought I'd just say it since I had noticed it.

My vote is still between Farael and Nonnacedak. I'm going to glance through the posts and see what they said about Rune. I don't think I'll have time tonight to do the cross-referencing I'd hoped.
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