Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI: No man is an Island

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Cailin

People I just plainly do not understand

Valier

I don't get what you don't understand about me? Can I help you out in any way?

I would like to point out Garin's weird behavior,I know others have noticed as well,but I want to state my theory
Why the sudden attack on me? Couldn't find anything else to accuse me for other than my "Hello Kitty" Avatar!

I do admit that the curcumstances surrounding my comment on Cailin,were a bit out there but that was just what I observed from her post.Then someone else votes for her and it looks like I started some what of a bandwagon.But I did not vote for Cailin because she's not quite as suspisous as a few others.
I only want to kill me some wolves!!!

[malkatoj]

Cailin!

Malkatoj (silence is always a bad sign)

Go read the announcements thread, it's nothing I can help.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by malkatoj

Cailin!

Go read the announcements thread, it's nothing I can help.

I already read it, dearie. Don't worry, I did not vote for you and for now have absolutely no intention of doing so. Not that it clears you, or anything.

I don't get what you don't understand about me? Can I help you out in any way?

I just have absolutely no clue where your allegiance lies. The one moment you say this, the other moment it's that. You're quite capricious. Like a kitty.

[Kuruharan]

On that note, I'm not as sure I could argue completely for Gurthang's innocense based solely in the voting, as he might have realized that either way Garin was lost and chose to cut with his (possibly) fellow werewolf rather than taking the fall with him. Still, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate as I do not suspect Gurthang at the moment.

Just to elaborate on this point for future reference (if really untoward things start happening, and any survivors want to come back and see this) if Gurthang had voted for Lhuna it would not have made any difference in Garin’s fate because Garin was the first to 5. Gurthang could have been thinking of providing cover for himself because there was no point in not voting for Garin. But this is all just a theory to keep in mind. Like Farael, I don't propose following this up at the moment.

I think the Nilpaurion question needs to be settled one way or another before we proceed on to other decisions. If things start going all pear-shaped, then we can start hashing over more outlandish theories. At the moment we have a clearer trail to investigate…although I’m not sure how much more useful there is to be said. Nilpaurion is probably not going to take this lying down whether he is guilty or innocent. That is when the real “fun” is going to begin. However, I think the case against him is pretty much made now…although the village is open to possibilities.

I think that Garin's vote for Lhuna pretty much saves her from most suspicion, yet there might be another wolf who voted for Lhuna early on. Those who voted for Lhuna were:
-Amanduial
-TGWBS
-Malkatoj

Nothing is more likely. I think this is probably the trail to follow next after the Nilp issue is settled.

As for the Seer stuff that is being bandied about…

At this moment, I’m not sure I favor the Seer coming forward even if they do have the name of a wolf. If the name they have is Nilpaurion, he stands a fair chance of getting the chop toDAY anyway. I don’t want the Seer put at risk for that when he/she would be in a position to find out another name from Nilpaurion. However, if the name is somebody else than Nilp, then Nilp’s status is still at issue and we have to find out about that anyway. The Seer can (hopefully) come forward with the name later, whether Nilp is a wolf or not.

Of course, it is also pretty likely that the Seer only has the names of innocents. This is certainly useful knowledge that I don’t particularly want, even temporarily, lost before the Apprentice could pick it up.

Obviously, the Seer will have to make the decision, but for the moment I would strongly urge caution.

[Alcarillo]

Well, the time for sleep draws ever closer in my timezone, so I feel that the best vote I can cast today is for

++Nilpaurion Felagund

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuru

At this moment, I’m not sure I favor the Seer coming forward even if they do have the name of a wolf. If the name they have is Nilpaurion, he stands a fair chance of getting the chop toDAY anyway. I don’t want the Seer put at risk for that when he/she would be in a position to find out another name from Nilpaurion. However, if the name is somebody else than Nilp, then Nilp’s status is still at issue and we have to find out about that anyway. The Seer can (hopefully) come forward with the name later, whether Nilp is a wolf or not.

Of course, it is also pretty likely that the Seer only has the names of innocents. This is certainly useful knowledge that I don’t particularly want, even temporarily, lost before the Apprentice could pick it up.

Obviously, the Seer will have to make the decision, but for the moment I would strongly urge caution.

Of course the Seer is the one to decide, but I was putting forward my theory specially in case we happen to have someone acting as the seer who is new to this.... situations. Not that I'm an expert myself. Yet my reasoning was that IF the Seer knew a werewolf he/she should come out... and obviously, if that know werewolf is Nilp, I'd wait it out this night so that I can ask him about someone else.

Having said that, I'm not sure if we should all just concentrate on Nilp as that'd mean that the werewolves can hide in the possibly massive bandwagon.... I'd suggest everyone entretains at least another theory, both to stimulate conversation and make it harder for the furry mammals with big teeth to hide among us.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Originally Posted by Rune

Garin...claims that he is taking a chance by beeing vokal, but is it not true that people often suspect those who is more silent and the wolfes would benefit more from killing a silent person who does not suspect anyone and therefor does not leave a trail.

Homm. Right, sorry, I'm going to be awkward: surely the wolves would benefit more from the death of a more vocal person, i.e. someone who was less likely to pose a threat to them by voicing his/her opinions loudly? By this logic, Garin is in fact probably putting himself under more of a threat from the werewolves. I also don't understand your other comment:

I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Bandwagon-age!

Sure, Garin's constant attempts to throw guilt away from himself (right down to the black cat comments) are a little odd, and maybe could be constrused as suspicious - but if you were looking for someone who seems fixed on proving their own innocence, I would say that you needn't look further than the girl who spent an entire post defending herself - yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Cailin. As for her...ah, I just don't know. I don't suspect her strongly enough to vote for her, certainly, so I shall stick with Lhun - but it can all change in the next...crikey, half an hour?!

I don't know, I'm not sure I can really work Garin out either, but I think he's innocent, for the same reasons as Nilpaurion: to be that vocal would be rather foolhardy for a wolf, so I doubt he actually is.

Although I admit the Hello Kitty comments have completely baffled me. And as to whether the bust of one of the most mysterious Roman Emporers has any significance...
...yeah, grasping at straws.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK I have made up my mind. I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt. Therefor I will vote Garin


++Garin

[Garin]

Valier:Why the sudden attack on me? Couldn't find anything else to accuse me for other than my "Hello Kitty" Avatar!

I think you are playing safe and making non-commital votes, I just wanted to see your reaction, really. Someone who is in the limelight sometimes wants to spread the 15 minutes of fame around. As for the Avatar comment, I truly am feverishly ill today and have stayed home and had two black cats raising hell and not letting me rest. So it was an impulsive thing.
Fear not, it is pretty obvious I won't be voting for you today.

[Garin]

Besides Valier, my Avatar is a bust of Caligula, so who am I to judge?

[Naria]

hehehe....at least we're all trying to find out who the ww are and not doing too much bickering(says with sarcasm).

Cailin stands out the most for me. She has consistentley posted after someone has said somthing about her with great defense. And, at least it seems to me, she is always trying to get the spotlight off of her and onto somebody else and noone in particular I might add. Quite the wolvish behaviour if ya ask me.

I can't really explain my vote any better than that so:

++Cailin

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I was going to post this sooner, but time got away from me.

I have revised my opinions, and have decided to vote for

++Garin

and this is not something that came from the bandwaggon. This is because if he really is as crafty and sneaky as he's coming off, I see him as an immediate threat, and my rather dim suspicions of Valier can wait. Some of his posts have gotten very strange, and I just have decided to go with my gut instinct.

ETA crossposted with many people, and I'm too lazy to go back and count...

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I just wanted my vote in for the deadline, so if my last post was rushed-sounding, that is why. I hope I have explained myself satisfactorialy. I know I am often wrong, and I feel like I just took a huge risk.If the Garin-waggon wasn't rolling before, it is now, and that certainly wasn't my intention. If Garin is innocent, then it may just be me that people start bandwaggoning for.

That said, I hope I've helped to catch a wolf today.

ETA: I hope you feel better, Garin.

[Garin]

Totals
Cailín-3
Eluchil-1
Lhunardawen-3
Garin-3
C'mon townpeople, our dear moderator needs time to create a narration.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Azaelia

However, to take a Nilp-ish turn, I don't want to be considered innocent just because I "always" am. That's not reason enough. I am, of course, innocent, as I have been in the past...but I don't want that to be the only reasoning behind the idea, because you could, for all you know, be letting a wolf slip through your fingers. (Of course, I'm not one, so that point is moot, anyway).

I would not have said that if I found anything in your posts that would lead me to believe otherwise.

Cailin stands out the most for me. She has consistentley posted after someone has said somthing about her with great defense. And, at least it seems to me, she is always trying to get the spotlight off of her and onto somebody else and noone in particular I might add. Quite the wolvish behaviour if ya ask me.

I assure you, I absolutely love being in the spotlight and have no intentions to get it away from me at all.

Can I explain my defensiveness with anything else than just admitting I like Day 3 a lot better than Day 1&2 combined and intend to live?

So, three votes for me and three for Lhun, and I personally wouldn’t like to see either one of us dying. I shall therefore be noble – as I am, to my own dismay - and vote for someone I am actually suspicious of, instead of merely saving my own hide. If this is farewell, then so be it.

++ELUCHIL

Edit: of course, I dramatically cross-posted with both Azaelia and Garin.

[Kuruharan]

Why do I have this feeling that there is a mob of us perched in invisible mode just waiting for something to happen and that we are going to end up with a deluge of votes at the end where practically anything could happen…?

I bet there is a wolf or two that hasn’t voted yet.

At this moment that list includes

Melentarmacil
Cailín
Azaelia
Garin
Valier
Gurthang
Me
Eluchil

I know we have a little time left, but this dead silence is a little scary.

pssst…Amanaduiel…I don’t think we can change our votes.

Votes cannot be taken back.
Modendacil post 2

EDIT: See, I knew it, there was a flood of voting while I was typing this post!!

[Garin]

Totals
Cailín-3
Eluchil-2
Lhunardawen-3
Garin-4
C'mon townpeople, our dear moderator needs time to create a narration.
It's obvious why I am waiting, not being nearly as noble as Cailin.

[Gurthang]

Whoa! Was reading and didn't realize how close it was getting! I'll have to make a descision fast.

Probably:
Garin
Eluchil
Cailin

Don't really want to vote Cailin, and Eluchil has been so silent toDay, I really have nothing more on him. I'll most likely pick Garin, but I'll wait a few minutes.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

pssst…Amanaduiel…I don’t think we can change our votes.

Oh, I do apologise, silly of me...thank you for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by Valier

But I still find your attempt at redirecting your "lime light" away from you,on to me (innocent) to be a little sly.

While I do not agree with what could be construed as sympathy tactics from Garin, am I to understand that this vote is purely vengeance for a bad comment?! Truly, dear lady, at risk of being the victim of your wrath next, truly Cailin far excels you in the stakes of nobility!

EDIT: crosspost with Rune.

[Garin]

++Lhunawarden

[Kuruharan]

(Time to revive the old have two windows of this open at the same time trick).

I think I’m going to have to be brave and consistent and vote…

++ GARIN

Probably wrong, I expect, and I’ll probably look quite silly…but I can’t think of anything else to do.

(The ends of these DAYs can be bad for your heart… )

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Garin

I think you are playing safe and making non-commital votes

Well I have to say I'm sorry your sick(no sarcasm), But I still find your attempt at redirecting your "lime light" away from you,on to me (innocent) to be a little sly.

Cailin-Has been quite defencive with her posts,but so have I so it makes me trust her for another day,because if your innocent it makes you want to defend yourself.

So my commited vote is for..

++Garin

I think 4 people wrote after this sorry

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This means that I have raised suspition of Menel, but will not follow-up on it as everybody els thinks he is innocent. The benefit of the doubt is refering to the fact that my arguments was build on shaky ground. I then votet Garin whom I suspectet as much as Menel.

A loudmouth is only a threath to the wolfs if s/he can convince the other villagers of his own brilliance, when they kill the loudmouth there is more things to analyze and more trails are left. Where as a more silent player will allmost leave no trails. (this way it will allso be easier to frame an innocent)

If you dont understand my logic then dont worry, most people dont.

[Gurthang]

A little late, but, unless I misread the rules, anyone who did not vote yesterday and does not toDay will be killed. The only one I can think of offhand is Eluchil.

[Gurthang]

++Garin

Eluchil might be my top suspect tomorrow, depending on the wolves kill. But I may not even have to worry about it if he doesn't vote.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Originally Posted by Gurthang

A little late, but, unless I misread the rules, anyone who did not vote yesterday and does not toDay will be killed. The only one I can think of offhand is Eluchil.

...and this overrides Garin's 6 vote impending doom? Well, he has less than five minutes...