WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Shelob]

If I change my vote you'll be stuck with me, you know that right?

There's no way the wolves are going to kill me now so I'll be here each DAY I'm not lynched.

And if I'm not lyncehd and I'm innocent you'll never be quite sure of that, but if I'm not lynched and I'm a wolf you've just handed me an excuse to continue amongst the living.

For my part I still say I'm innocent, and that I lie not, but you have no way but my death to tell. If I change my vote you'll either have to get both the real wolves despite my distracting presence or kill me later, and the longer I remain a distraction the easier it is for the wolves to hide.

That's worse for the village than just losing me now, though unless we're sure of Wayne's guilt (which I doubt we are) I'd suggest someone breaks the tie.

[Kath]

At the time it was a safety measure to ensure I would have voted, and I dind't change it when I last posted because I hoped that Shelob would change her mind. However, it doesn't appear that she will and I am really not keen on the idea of a double lynch so:

--WAYNE, ++SHELOB

Hopefully it will be the lesser of two evils. The death of only one innocent at the worst, and the death of a wolf at best.

[Garin]

RETRACTABLE VOTES, PEOPLE!!
Give me a reason to pull away from Shelob and train my bow towards another's furry haunches and I shall.
But, right now, it is worth finding out.
Anyone hear from Abercrombie...nothing implied...by the way?

[Shelob]

This is crazy, I finally give up hope you of people ever trusting me, decide it's for the overall better of the village if I'm not going to be a distraction on later days...and all they can do is beg me to change my vote...

well then, if we're serious about it, let's find a more wolf like cantidate shall we?

[Kath]

Garin you and I could both point our votes at one person to ensure Shelob's safety. I don't believe that she is a wolf as this is an incredibly dangerous bluff to play. Though of course, you could also be a wolf and have planned all this between you but that will just confuse my brain. Is anyone else around? I could use some more input on this.

Although all we actually need is for Shelob to retract her own vote.

EDIT: Yes please Shelob! Let's do that!

[Shelob]

Alrighty then Kath, you and me, let's look at everyone and let's look at what Thin did before her death...which, actually, I just did.

Thin began by bemoaning the deaths of Glirdan and Gil. Her next post suspected Eomer and Ang for being talkative and trying to make themselves trusted. She comments that everyone is suspicious so the best we can do is guess and hope. She comments that Roa hasn't been on it, and is suspicous for being quiet. She votes for Eomer, since he "trys to flatter people more than Ang"

At first glance this'd clear Ang and Roa, though her mentioning Eomer and Ang then dropping one could be a wolf trick to hide Ang in case of her death, I'm disinclined to believe it at this point though, but it should be mentioned.

[Garin]

Garin you and I could both point our votes at one person to ensure Shelob's safety. I don't believe that she is a wolf as this is an incredibly dangerous bluff to play. Though of course, you could also be a wolf and have planned all this between you but that will just confuse my brain. Is anyone else around? I could use some more input on this.

Yes, PLEASE give us input!
Plus, Kath I still see Ang voted for you but his vote lynched a wolf. Please defend yourself.
If you need any pointers........Edit: [I]Don't look to me because I suck at it

[Garin]

I currently expect Ang to be innocent due to his vote for Thin, can werewolves be that devious?

[Valier]

Well I have read this little debate. I don't know...you guys are a little too confusing for me yet. But I was going to vote for Shelob but if you can prove that there's a better candidate. I would like to hear it.

[Kath]

That leaves a lot of people left to suspect though Shelob. I'd be somewhat inclined to think that her dropping Eomer's name in with Ang's might point to Ang being a wolf since she'd know that Eomer was innocent. Innocence by association and all.

Garin I don't understand. If he voted for me how can he have lynched a wolf?

[Kath]

Can werewolves be that devious?

Yes. Most definitely. That little tactic would appear to put Ang in the clear since Lommy was a wolf. It might be plotting.

[Shelob]

It does leave a lot of people to look at, but unless someone wants to go back over Angs posts now and find evidence one way or the other the best we can do is speculate.

beyond Ang though we've got
Roa
Mith
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar
and, of course, ourselves (note, Garin, I'm counting you in on this), to look at...we could split it, each take three other people and look at what they've done...

[Garin]

Kath you have said little in your defense but seem to be show sympathy towards the currently furry Shelob, despite your vote. Let 'er rip. Feel free to chime in, Ang.

[tar-ancalime]

Shelob, STOP IT!

You said:

Tar's was a defence?

Yes, it was, as a matter of fact (see Ang's post). I thought that Thinlomien's presence on that bandwagon(coming AFTER you) effectively exonerated you, which is why I couldn't understand why you would excise her from your analysis. It made your analysis look suspicious because you weren't presenting the whole case.

I really don't think you're a wolf. There, I've said it and I certainly hope you're not because if you turn out to be one you're going to take me down with you as your only defender.

Which, by the way, I'm about to stop being. Your posts throughout the day have made it very clear that you're not interested in the kind of help I can give you; you're only interested in seeing accusers everywhere and in flying off the handle. I wash my hands of the whole situation, especially if you're going to persist in voting for yourself.

The one focusing the conversation on you is YOU. In your absence there was discussion about Wayne, Garin, and others. But on your return and your pugilistic posts, of course things got back to you.

I still don't think you're a wolf, but don't expect any more defenses from me. I wash my hands of you.

[Roa_Aoife]

You know, I posted in the other thread that I would be unavailable for most of the day....

Also, I'd like to point out my rather embarrassing mistake yesterday when I assumed that the roles were decided upon the whim of the Mod God, rather than random designation. I thought this because I was assigned the role of Ordo, and I assumed it was due to this being my first go round (give the newbie an insignifcant role- perfectly logical.) I am, therefore, innocent.

As for lynching votes, I thought Shelob was guilty yesterday, and today has done little to change my mind. My dear madam spider, a calm reasonable defence of oneself is far less suspicious of a desperate cry. If you are trying to throw suspicion from yourself by voting for yourself, a repeat of Fea's tactic yesterday, you have failed.

++Shelob, as before, since I felt it was justified then, and I feel it is more than justified now.

EDIT: I'm a girl.

[Kath]

*sigh* Well I guess that's it. No chance of saving her now. Shelob, I hope you're a wolf because if not this is going to cause some serious discussion tomorrow.

My vote will stand. I'm going to bed to recover.

EDIT: And yes Garin that's right, but Ang retracted his vote.

[Garin]

G'night Kath
You've just been acting strange and I still have a couple hours, as does the suicidal one, to change my vote.
Ang?

[Garin]

It seems to me that, perhaps, Kath has just dealt a hell of a double bluff. Maybe, Kath and Shelob are mates? Can lycans be this crafty? The female mind, even the canine kind, is some trick to untangle and I am far from mastery. The hour draws near.

[tar-ancalime]

tar - Shelob is trying not to take thigs to heart anymore and I think will retract her own vote.

Yes, and I think she was probably typing her post to that effect at the same time I typed my perhaps overly-tart commentary.

However, it may be too late.

I'm still deciding my own vote for the day.

So far Garin, Gandalf, and Wayne are bothering me the most. Gandalf and Wayne seem to be playing some kind of meta-game with each other in which they log on only to exchange votes. This in itself is troubling--what if they're BOTH wolves? We'd never gather enough evidence on either of them!

Garin, on the other hand, is behaving quite strangely to my mind. He votes VERY early for Anguirel, saying it's "random" (yes, Garin, I noted the irony). But why would he do such a thing on Day 2, when we've got so much more to go on, and when he knows he'll be around for the rest of the day to see what happens? Is he just that enamored of the idea of retracting?

Then, when the Shelob discussion really got underway he changed his vote. He was the first to vote for her, true, but it wasn't hard to see which way the wind was blowing--if he thinks it's a done deal then what better way to protect himself than by getting in early and looking like a leader? But then, all I've really got is a nebulous bad feeling that I'm trying to substantiate. And we all know what happens when you go looking for a certain result, right? So I think perhaps it's better I lay off Garin...for now. If he gives me the same feeling tomorrow I may not be so inclined.

On the other hand, there are some people who definitely won't be getting my vote. I think Anguirel and Fea are likely innocents--Anguirel because he not only voted for Thinlomien, he cast the deciding vote that took her down with eonwe, and Fea for the same reason as Shelob--for now. True, it's entirely possible she and Thinlomien worked out the whole Eomer thing as a setup to make Fea look innocent, but if so they had to know that voting last for Eomer meant Thinlomien was not long for the world--sacrificing a wolf on the very first day seems foolhardy and risky, even for Fea, so with that roundabout logic she gets on to my list of likely innocents.

Whom to vote for? Whom to vote for? Right now I'm leaning Wayne but for no good reason.