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02-02-2006, 08:25 AM
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Byronic Brand
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Tut tut, Lalaith! You've been reading too much Sarah Bradford, I deem...now, I like to keep Lucrezia as the Machiavellian survivor, femme fatale and patroness of the arts...
And then there was the "Roman Infant" business...all very murky, but it seems most likely she had Cesare's son. Particularly as he murdered her beloved second husband in a fit of jealous rage. Why do Survivor debates lead inexorably to me discussing incest?
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02-02-2006, 08:38 AM
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Blithe Spirit
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Who's Sarah Bradford? I read some book about the Borgias years ago but I'm sure I've never heard of her...you may keep any picture of Lucrezia in your mind that pleases you but one thing is certain, she was certainly a true survivor. Cesare was of course barking mad (his death was hilarious, leading a one-man charge on a fortified city) and what he subjected her to in her youth is anybody's guess.
Morm, as to your point, a. I'm voting tactically and b. I don't like golf. And as I've already said, I'm keeping options wide open today....
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02-02-2006, 08:46 AM
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Sorry, shot in the dark. She published a biography of a "good duchess"-style Lucrezia a couple of years ago.
Actually, I'm a fan of Cesare, though his murder of Alfonso D'Aragona takes some forgiving. However flawed he was, he was a kind of genius, as Niccolo recognised. I love the image of him pursuing deer with packs of trained leopards, a veil over his face to hide the growing signs of syphilis. So enigmatic, almost beautiful. A sort of Maeglin figure on a Tolkien level I suppose...
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02-02-2006, 09:07 AM
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Blithe Spirit
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It's fantasies like this that led us to the WWXIII debacle, my dear...
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02-02-2006, 11:28 AM
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Hmm. What wine goes with roast raven?
Well, perhaps one should consult http://www.ravensdale-wines.co.uk/ + + Roac
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02-02-2006, 11:32 AM
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Blithe Spirit
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Ok, so that is the way the wind is blowing, and the crow is cawing.
--Bullroarer ++ROAC Ang, we can sort out the old golfing bore another time.
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02-02-2006, 11:41 AM
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I don't object to Roac going, but I'm not changing my vote. Bullroarer must remain an option...
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02-02-2006, 11:41 AM
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Roast an innocent raven? No way!
++Belladonna Took There's much more in her to eat.
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