Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kath

We only have your word that you are in fact a man of the law.

Originally Posted by Aiwendil

Forgive me if I speak plainly, Judge Saucepan, but I've little use for courts and tribunals. Seems to me they do a fair job making wolves out of folks all by themselves.

See how the absence of a proper legal framework breeds lies and mistrust?

My dear villagers, this is precisely what we should be going out of our way to avoid. For it is by acting on the basis of random accusations and suspicions based upon little no evidence that we will do these Wolves work for them. This bloodthirsty gallows mentality will bring us nothing but our own doom. The Wolves among us will set villager against villager, herding the lynch mob in the direction of those who are innocent or, worse still, those who can be of great help to us in our hour of need.

I have a grave concern over those who would seek to discard the teachings of the law so readily, but I myself require solid evidence before I will condemn anyone to the gallows.

[WaynetheGoblin]

What he said in my words and i will vote.
++FORMENDACIL

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Well, you know what they say Saucie, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

Our poor Menel, his was a dear old knight and though I saw him but once, he had a jovial and chivalrous countenance. What monstrosties have been unleashed upon us? I should not have left the comfort of the woods...

Formendacil has voted early, not unusual. I believe he's done that on several occasions (well, that I've read about, of course.)

Doing some careful sleuthing work (pulling names out of a hat), I have deduced that Formendacil, Aiwendil and Gil-Galad are guilty. Explain yourselves!

[Gil-Galad]

i beleive in what Mr. Saucey-Judge-Man is saying, and we should maybe respect his Authoritay or something bad will happen that will scar us all dramtically.

Though justice will probably not prevail on the side of me, Gil-galad, i wholehardingly believe in Sauceman's abilities and status.

we all don't want to make horrible mistakes to happen which will bring an inevitable compromise.


so that just leaves us to ponder what to do with our little village before we make even more mistakes, like the fashion-sense that plagues some of us.

In Conclusion if we do not defeat this Werewolf Scourge, we may have to look for other options.
All of us want to return home so lets clean this mess and take a little vacation.


cheers

P.S. no one wants to be that body in the wood-chipper

[malkatoj]

Menel's dead, eh? Well, as long as he's all dead, there's nothing I can do about it. I've already gotten the change out of his pockets, of course, and I'd share it but it amounted to so little...plus, I'm retired. I tried my best on this guy and really, I've never worked for so little. I need all the money I can get.

So the most recent miracle over here has told me that Abercrombie, Valier and Naria are the wolves. You guys better have a good excuse--none of this 'bitten by one' stuff, if you had come to me I could have cured you up nice and good. I made some pills earlier for wolfishness and nobody ate them. Chocolate coating and everything. Makes it go down easier.

Aside from those three, Saucepan's seeming awfully pompous, he's probably the ranger. Gil keeps talking and he put all those links up and they're confusing, so cobbler. Aiwendil's acting pretty deep and whatnot, so he's the seer. And of course TGWBS is the hunter.

I'll be back with a vote at some point in the DAY, until then, I'll be working on a miracle potion to rid the village of wolves. Only we all have to drink it...

::Real-life: I'll be away for the Weekend and *will* have computer access, but as I'm company I don't like to use it too too much. I'll make sure to be on, but I might not be as active as usual. Also posting in the announcements thread. Thank you::

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

i beleive in what Mr. Saucey-Judge-Man is saying, and we should maybe respect his Authoritay

The Man of Shapes speaks sense, though the images which he conjures before us sorely confuse me. I am nevertheless heartened that he at least is prepared to put his trust in the law.

Well, if no one else is to bring a forensic mind to bear in this most dire of situations, I suppose I shall have to do so myself and act in the role of both prosecutor and judge.

WaynetheGoblin, please stand forth and answer me these questions.

You suspect Formendacil because he voted early. Yet you have voted early yourself. Does not that make you suspicious on the basis of your own words?

And you voiced suspicion of him as the Cobbler, yet vote for him as though you believe him to be a Wolf. Why?

And now, Miss OfRohan. You voice mistrust of lawyers, yet seek to bring accusations yourself and call upon three of our fellow villagers to defend themselves.

Originally Posted by AbercrombieofRohan

Doing some careful sleuthing work (pulling names out of a hat), I have deduced that Formendacil, Aiwendil and Gil-Galad are guilty.

The law decrees that all are innocent until proven guilty. Please enlighten us as to the evidence upon which you base these accusations.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by malkatoj

Aside from those three, Saucepan's seeming awfully pompous, he's probably the ranger.

Just doing my job, madam. Alas, I cannot protect you by night as you seem to think. But I can wield the sword of justice by day. And as long as I have the strength in me to do so, I shall. It is by the application of cold logic, rather than cold steel, that we shall rid ourselves of this evil that plagues us.

Originally Posted by malkatoj

So the most recent miracle over here has told me that Abercrombie, Valier and Naria are the wolves.

Enough talk of miracles, woman! What evidence to you have do accuse them so?

[Shelob]

Evidence? On the first day? Are all lawyers so optimistic?

Somehow I imagine "miracles" and "pulling names out of a hat" are the best we can hope for right now. So long as our accusations don't boil down to "that little yellow bird in the rafters told me, yeah, that one, the one saying you've sold your soul to the devil" I think we're doing good. Well, so well as a town with werewolves can be doing anyhow.

Given as we've random accusations with no response but "Evidence!" I think I'll sit back and wait for a while, get a drink, ponder what little I have to work from, and rest up for the rest of this witc---erm, Wolf Trial...

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Nay, you misunderstand me, my good fellow. I've provided that quote as evidence for Kath and Aiwendil, thinking that perhaps they could use it in their case against you.

Please enlighten us as to the evidence upon which you base these accusations.

I've already enlightened you.

(pulling names out of a hat)

There is no evidence. Were this a real case, my evidence would be thrown out of court immediately.

But since you ask it of me, I will try my best to provide cases against these people. (Please believe I'm throwing out random accusations and am basically pulling these arguments out of thin air.)

Formendacil: He has voted early, but so has Wayne, and of the two, I'm slightly more inclined to believe Formendacil's innocence. I understand too, that he has RL situations that prevent his access to the computer.

Aiwendil: I've no case against you at all and with only one post you can hardly expect that anyone would have more evidence to present. I suppose I could suspect him because of his silence, but then there are those that have not posted at all yet, who would, by that reasoning, would be more suspicious.

Gil-Galad: His first post is rather confusing and seems a bit desperate when there is no need for him to be desperate at all. I'd be less inclined to lynch him if he hadn't been so defensive. Well, perhaps defensive isn't the correct word....is there a word that means really- severely- not- wishing- to- be- lynched- when- absolutely- no- evidence- has- yet- come- to- light- of- you- guilt- or- otherwise? He believes in you Mr. Saucepan, shall we take this as evidence of his role? Only your lynching would provide us with that information.

[The Saucepan Man]

So this is what passes for evidence in this village?

Has no one paused to consider whether they noticed anyone creeping off into the woods this morning? Or whether, when we first heard the cries of Ye Olde Kinght, any of us were missing?

And has anyone bothered to survey the scene of the crime for clues? No? Garn! I am surrounded by incompetence. Shall I be forced to fulfil the role of constable as well as prosecutor and judge in this accursed village? Sadly, it would seem so. Well, if you'll excuse me, I have work to do ...

[malkatoj]

Enough talk of miracles, woman! What evidence to you have do accuse them so?

Oh, really, what has this world come to when a simple Miracle Man must provide evidence for his miracles?

If you want a reasoned argument, that'll be tough, especially considering how early it is. I doubt my vote will end up with any of the people I mentioned as 'wolves' earlier--it was a simple dice throw, thanks for the idea to our sorely missed Meneltarmacil. So, my reasoning: Gil still confuses me, which still leads me to believe he could be the cobbler. Too much going on in his post, especially links that could easily distract from our task of finding and killing the wolves.

As for said finding/killing wolves, the only person I have to suspect so far is Wayne, though it is just as likely (or more likely) simply Wayne being Wayne than it is Wayne being a wolf. I find it odd that he was so suspicious of Formendacil's early vote, when Formendacil explained that he has a reason for it, and then proceeded to vote early himself, based on that suspicion. There's a flaw in that logic, there. Also, his post confuses me to no end:

What he said in my words and i will vote.

What am I to make of this?

Now, if I were to vote in this post, it would be for Wayne. Luckily, I will have time tomorrow at least to vote (though I'm not sure how much else) so that won't be necessary right now. It is, however, necessary that I go to sleep, so I'll be back for that vote tomorrow.

-Miracle Malka

[mormegil]

Saucepan, you speak highly of Gondor and its laws and that we all answer to these. I am descended from Elven Princes and have come to this island as an embassy from Cirdan the Shipwright. While no killer I answer to his laws and the petty debates of mere mortals have no sway on me.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

mormegil: Is innocent, annoyingly so. He'll probably propose a grand plan on Day 3 or 4 to out the Werewolves.

Nice to see I have a friend...sort of

Perhaps I will propose a plan, most likely I will need to make some of my weapons and route this villains myself for while the foresight of Elrond does not rest upon me I have the ability to judge the character of a man nigh as well as blessed Idril herself. I will find these wolves for you.

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

oh my three werewolves... thats bad... what are we to do? where are our gifted to save us? oh i hope i don't get lynched... though if i say this i will get band-wagonned on again and i'll be lynched and it will be for naught becuase i'm an Ordinary...again... though when i say i'm innocent people will say that sounds wolish and lynch me and that'll prove to them that i am indeed innocent...perhaps i've said too much already... i need to be serious... oh look a rectangle! *runs off*

Gil, while I'm unsure of your guilt or innocence, currently, this does not help your case in the least. Now it comes to mind that you may be the cobbler attempting to take attention away from others. You do this because you know that likely you will die soon enough so why not occupy a couple of days debate about whether or not we should lynch you. Thus giving the wolves cover for the first couple of days. Similar to what Wayne propose about Formendacil, but no I suspect that Formendacil likes the attention and wanted to stir up debate which is okay by me.

[Gil-Galad]

Well Morm, i know i'm going to be lynched because there is nothing that i can do to live past day 2, so i might as well have fun while i'm at it, lynch me if you must, it'll give the wolves another chance of surviving