Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[Cailín]

As I said before, I will be forced to vote now... This will not come unexpected:

++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

I'm sorry if you are once again a misunderstood innocent, but you are the only one suspicious in my eyes right now. Your vote for Formendacil and your defensiveness doesn't sit right with me. Good luck, fellow villagers, and may you (and I) choose wisely.

[Kath]

Well now look at all those votes! I see what people are saying about a possible Wayne-Form-Valier trio, but that it seems a little too obvious. Mind you that could simply be a ploy to remove suspicion.

What I would suggest is not lynching Nilp. He is a suicidal maniac it's true, but rarely is he so when anything but an ordinary innocent. I'm not saying that those who voted for him already should be suspected because it's hard not to use such a gift as a suicidal voter when it provides such an easy vote.

Voting for Wayne is understandable, the reasons Cailin have given make sense. However, he has said more toDay than he does in 3 usually! And no matter what he is that's rare. So, perhaps keeping him alive a little longer might be an idea, just in case this increase in talking becomes more common.

Still, Wayne does say that he voted for Form because Form voted for Valier, which to me would suggest a link between Wayne and Valier rather than the three of them together. Loyalty among wolves perhaps?

At any rate, as per usual I'm suspicious of Sauce, but then anyone who tries to make themselves leader is a bad guy in my books. Aside from that, I'm not sure that looking at occupations is going to do us much good Garin, or avatars for that matter.

So I suppose Wayne, Valier and Sauce. But with very little reasoning and no sure feeling behind it either.

[mormegil]

++Valier

if for no other reason than the giggling and to get things moving a bit.

[The Saucepan Man]

Alas, my investigations of the crime scene, like those of Aiwendil, have revealed nothing of use. I remain surprised, however, that no one noticed anything suspicious around the time of Menel’s death.

I am also disappointed that so many here have shown such contempt for the laws which protect us and such eagerness to join the baying mob. It seems that my entreaties have been to little avail and that the lynch mob will now prevail. With little evidence gathered, to speak of, the most likely outcome is the death of an innocent or, worse still, one of the gifted among us.

All that I can do, it seems, is to use what skills I have to try to identify Wolfish behaviour from what has been said already. And, in that respect, today’s conversations have been of some use. Here are my thoughts:

mormegil: Despite his contempt for the laws of men (which troubles me) talks sense, particularly concerning those who seem to be picking on the easy targets.
Garin: Is playing his cards close to his chest. Worrying, and doubly so given that it is out of character.
Nilpaurion Felagund: Is a deluded suicidal. Makes an easy target for a Wolfish vote as he provides the reasoning himself, yet is unlikely to be lynched.
dancing spawn of ungoliant: Records the days events, but offers little analysis herself. But talks sense when she says that there should be more to this than random votes and claims of bad health.
The Saucepan Man: Is doing his best to try and sort out this mess. Seemingly a thankless task.
Aiwendil: Rejects the teachings of the law and thereofe, by definition, lawless. Confuses Vampires and Werewolves. A possible liability on a Werewolf hunt, but probably no Wolf himself.
AbercrombieOfRohan: When asked for evidence against those she accuses, she claims that there is none yet then goes on to try to supply some. When pressed, she goes on the offensive, voicing suspicion of the one pressing her (me) and an easy target (Gil). Later clears Gil when she sees another opportunity for a possible safe vote (Nilp). Worrying in the extreme.
Shelob: Seems to have lost hope already. Such pessimism is understandable, though, given our current circumstances. And it speaks of her possible innocence.
malkatoj: Is definitely confused. She claims to be a miracle man, when all can see that she is an old crone. More worryingly, when pressed, she too has directed her suspicions towards easy targets (Gil and Wayne).
Gil-Galad: Is scared and confused, understandably so given that many seem to be lining him up for the gallows already. I believe him innocent.
Glirdan: Has come up with a few crackpot theories between bouts of making little sense. Most likely the Cobbler.
Márcolië Lamen: Has she spoken yet?
The Guy Who Be Short: Is suspiciously quiet.
Formendacil: Voted with nothing to go on. But he explained why he had to do so and, for now, I believe him.
Cailín: Despite her delusions, she is an astute lass. But she has unusually, so far, offered little insightful analysis, preferring to take the easy option of voting for Wayne (despite admitting that his death will tell us little). She’s becoming quite a concern to me.
Kath: Fell into my trap by questioning my claim to be above reproach, a claim so silly as not to warrant a response.
WaynetheGoblin: Is unpredictable and unnerves me.
Naria: Has said nothing to sway my thoughts, one way or the other.
Valier: Is making even less sense than Glirdan. Has voted for an easy target without providing any reasoning.

My main worries at the moment concern those who seem to be picking on easy targets - the ones for whom it is little trouble to provide reasoning (without much thought) because of the way that they are and for whom a vote will arouse little suspicion as and when they are lynched and turn out innocent. So far, I would place the following in that category:

AbercrombieofRohan, malkatoj, Cailín and Valier.

I am loathe to join this lynch mob and cast a vote today. Yet, in the face of such determined resistance to the laws of this land, I feel that I have little choice if I wish to do what I can to prevent the lynching of an innocent and, hopefully, catch a Wolf into the bargain. There is not as much evidence as I would wish, but I believe that there is at least one Wolf in the four that I have identified above. My vote will most likely be cast, albeit reluctantly, for one of them.

[the guy who be short]

I, TGWBS, hereby formally declare suspicion of the following: Wayne, SpM, mormegil, Gil, Abercrombie.

I shall now list them in order of suspicion, giving my reasons:

Wayne - Enough evidence has been produced against him already. His vote for Formendacil was vindictive - Formendacil stated his inability to return toDay. A vote for somebody with no chance to defend themself seems a little too safe. And then, we have his belief that Formy is the Cobbler. Why vote for the cobbler?

Finally, look at his reason for voting:

Originally Posted by Wayne

I didnt vote for him for his early vote but for the person he voted for.
I voted for him because you never know what someone is going to be.

What's so special about Valier, that a vote for her calls for the voter's lynching?

Gil - Why so defensive, and why so confusing. What's with the links? At the moment, I'm thinking he could be our cobbler, as are many others. So, while he is high on my list of potential enemies to the village, I am reluctant to lynch him.

Abercrombie - WHY MUST YOU PEOPLE PERSIST IN PERSECUTING THE POOR NUTTER?

mormegil - It's just this comment that I'm uneasy about:

Originally Posted by morm

Nay, I'd rather have innocents that contribute to our society than a bunch of drains on society. Does this make me a wolf? No but it does make me somebody who wants to better our society, if you take my meaning. Some must die, and inevitably innocents as well. I'm thinking of the future of this village, what would you rather have around, a woodwright or some head standing coconut milker who giggles far too often?

This disregard for innocence is simply concerning. And why the vote for Valier? He seems to vote for her based entirely on the ideals of eugenics.

SpM - I agree with him in principle. Cases should be built and considered. But his insistance that he himself should be at the centre of the judicial process is cause for concern. If he is a wolf, then trusting him would be horrendously dangerous.



That's all for people I find guilty. As for innocence, I support:

Glirdan - This post is the most logical thing I've seen today.

Nilp - I'm not going to bother. It's obvious. Nilp is being himself. Expect my wrath to full upon ye, ye who vote for the mentally unstable.

[Glirdan]

Well, there is only about three hours left to disscuss things. I'm torn between voting for Valier, Wayne and SpM.

Valier and Wayne I've already given my reasoning in this post:

Well, we already have five votes.

Valier - 1 (Formendacil)
Formendacil - 1 (Wayne)
Nilpaurion - 2 (Nilp and Abercrombie)
Wayne - 1 (Valier)

Notice how Form voted Valier, Valier for Wayne and Wayne for Form? That seems highly suspicious to me. Do we have a possible trio here and they all let their hands sho early? Or is there maybe one or two Wolves hidden amongst that bunch? Or are all three innocent and caught in a web of doom? I highly doubt that all three are Wolves and out of all three, I find Form seems the least suspicious. What do you all have to say to this little bit of information?

As for SpM, there's something not right sitting for me with him, however, I will dismiss this for the time being. My vote will more than likely be for either Valier or Wayne.

Now to adress a few things before I decide on whom to vote for.

SpM:

Glirdan: Has come up with a few crackpot theories between bouts of making little sense. Most likely the Cobbler.

What do you mean "crackpot theories" and "making little sense"? All I've seen from you so far is badgering us about the law system of Gondor. Care to explain? I'm not attempting to attack you. I'm just trying to get a bearing on what the uneasy feeling is that I have about you.

TGWBS. I'm glad that you think that was logical and I thank you profusely for it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

What do you mean "crackpot theories" and "making little sense"?

Well I had to say something vaguely constructive about you.

But, if you must know, I had in mind the ridiculous notion that I was trying to flush out the Seer merely by calling for evidence, and also this Formendacil - Wayne - Valier triumvirate idea that you have come up with. I really don't see what sense there would be in the Wolves agreeing beforehand to vote for each other and then doing so early on, before seeing how things were going. Their votes are more likely to be the result of Day 1 randomness than of a Wolfish plan. Sure enough, one of them may well be a Wolf, or even two, but I don't see how this triumvirate idea points towards that.

Well, the time has come for me to cast my vote, as I must go and study before taking to my bed. If we must resort to this barbaric method of finding our cuplrits, I would prefer for the field to be as open as possible, particularly with so many votes still to come.

For her rather forceful reaction to my pressing her for evidence and for naming easy targets before going on to cast what I consider to be a "safe" vote (at least for today) for someone else, I will cast my vote for:

++ABERCROMBIEOFROHAN

though it pains me to participate in such a rudimentary judicial process.

[the guy who be short]

Latest thoughts:

1) Concerning voting for Valier. I would like an explanation from mormegil and Garin. There are plenty of ideas floating around. Why vote for somebody based on their role?

2) SpM redeems himself a little in my eyes both with his vote, and his claim that his suggestion of putting himself about the law was "bait." Though bait for what, I don't know. Care to extrapolate?

[Garin]

1) Concerning voting for Valier. I would like an explanation from mormegil and Garin. There are plenty of ideas floating around. Why vote for somebody based on their role?

This is as close as I can come to 'random' but slightly informed vote. Playing ones' role is admirable and adds color but can also be used as cover. I hope we lynch a wolf or the cobbler but that is obvious. Valier acts cute and silly but this could be her sheep's clothing.
I am going to flip a coin in 5 minutes and decide between Val and Aber.

[Garin]

I don't believe Márcolië Lamen has spoken as of yet. This makes me inclined to give Márcolië Lamen my vote, because non-participants offer nothing to the life of the village. However, sometimes this can't be helped and I hope everything is okay.
My post and Morm's idea to lynch the crazies was nearly a cross-post. Although...

Nay, I'd rather have innocents that contribute to our society than a bunch of drains on society. Does this make me a wolf? No but it does make me somebody who wants to better our society, if you take my meaning. Some must die, and inevitably innocents as well.

I understand his intent because they mirror mine I just think that it is a scary idea when put in the context of the real world and could get him into trouble. I'm tempted to call Morm, 'Uncle Joe' (as in Stalin) for the rest of the game. I won't mention the most obvious name because it is disrespectful to the 6 million.
However, I am inclined to vote for the giggling kitten. I will vote in 40 minutes.
Known innocents? I bet Sauce is because he always is and ends up getting killed by wolves, because his experience plays a threat.