Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[Glirdan]

I must say that it is rather quiet toDay. Here's a short synopsis of what has been said all Day toDay.

TGWBS: Gives us a voting record of the previous Day. Says we should get rid of all those who are too quiet or have not voted. Asks Cailin and morm to answer his question from yesterDay. Attacks Naria and myself to get resoning out of our throwaway votes from Day 1. Says he can't get over it even though Shelob did same and as proven innocent. Defends Nilp simply because he's Nilp and malka because of her misvote. Also truts Kath due to her vote for Valier. Notes that spawn, SpM, Kath and Garin all voted for an innocent twice and doesn't really suspect any of them but decides to go back and check each of them out individually. Believes there is a Wolf hidden amongst Gil-Galad, Marcolie, Form, Wayne, Naria and myslef. Notices that both Cailin and myself said that SpM has voted for a known innocent first each Day and believes it to be incriminating. Finds Wayne and Gil's votes odd.

There's one thing that I find odd in there. While I do agree with him that malka is probably an innocent because of her misvote and her not showing up until yesterday, I don't think that we should leave Nilp out of our sight just yet. How do we know that he's not being a suicidal Wolf?

Cailin - Finds Valier's death rather surprising. Sees that Valier and herself have voted the exact same way for the past two days and thinks that it might be a setup to make her look guilty. Also believes that Wolves might have seen Valier as the Seer which would make Garin look bad. Finds that morm, SpM and Spawn all alive rather disturbing. Would like and explanation for Garin's last moment desicion. Says that people need to make up their own minds with whom they are suspicious of. Agrees with TGWBS on the fact that the non voters are just getting in the way.

I don't find anything in that overly suspicious. If anything, I find more insightful.

I'll have the other's up shortly.

[Glirdan]

In answer to SpM's question:

Please explain why you think Valier was the best choice for the Wolves, Glirdan? I set out my thoughts above on why she might have been killed, but I can think of much better candidates (albeit on the basis of lesser knowledge than the Wolves have).

There were a few people (me for one) who had voiced suspicion of her. She was also a very quiet villager. If they killed her off, it would leave no clues pointing to anyone in particular and leave some of us looking suspicious.

I am not sure that this really stands up. You expressed your suspicion of Valier on Day 1, although not in particularly strong terms. Valier died on Night 3, after you had expressed no view on her on Day 2. It would be easy for a Wolf to shrug of any accusations based on suspicion in these circumstances, particularly as we all know and accept that there is little to go on on Day 1. And you have not really explained - to my satisfaction at least - why you said that you would probably not vote for me and then went ahead and did just that, in circumstances where a vote for me carried with it no possibility of getting me lynched. I accept that you thought that there was something not "sitting quite right" with me, but you expressed that feeling before you said that you would probably not vote for me. What you haven't explained is why you changed your mind. Mormegil has pointed out that your response to TGWBS's questioning does not quite add up, and I am inclined to agree with him. But I am also still concerned that my suspicion of you is swayed by your own strongly expressed accusations of me.

I'm just going to say now, even though I'm going to be badgered about it for quite some time, that I realise my vote for you was a complete throw away. That was completely intentional. I did not want to bandwagon. That's why I ended up voting for you. As for my answers to TGWBS, I must say that I can't quite get my thoughts in order and explain how I have it in my head. All I have to say is that I was a quite confused (not to mention stressed) villager.

Now, to do an analysis on three more villagers:

Formendacil - Comes on and mourns for Valier's death. Blames the Wolves for killing an innocent villager as well as insults the village in itself for lynching two innocents. Says that we should direct everything towards the Wolves.

If I must say, this is the most useless post that I've ever seen. No substance, no helpful hints, nothing. He comes on and leaves us again in bewilderment. Either he's being a really brave Wolf or a very stupid Villager.

I'm gong to skip me for the time being and go on to

Wayne: Also comes on for one post and votes for himself.

Gil - Comes on for one post as well and gives Wayne a vote to go along with his death wish.

I've already given my opinions on this subject in a previous post.

I'll have malka, morm and naria up next.

[Glirdan]

malka - Finds it wierd that Wayne is pulling a Nilp and thinks that Gil's voter for him is even more odd. Wants to point out that, even though she doesn't believe that SpM is a Wolf, he was the one who started the Shelob and Crombie bandwagons. Agrees that we should double lynch, SpM and Wayne preferably. Votes for Saucy because he led the bandwaggoning.

Ok, either she missed SpM's long rant on making your own mind up or she just choses to ignore it. I find that reason rather....what's the word I'm looking for....BAD! Yes, I suspect SpM, but for reasons other than that. Also, if you would prefer to vote for Wayne, why did you vote for SpM? (Wow, I'm asking the same question that I've been asked all Day!! ).

morm - Finds me incredibly suspicious and finds Form's behaviour rather odd. Believes we should absolutely lynch Wayne and something about Cailin isn't sitting right with him. Thinks he's going to vote for Cailin, Wayne, Form or myself. Thinks that Wolves wouldn't be stupid enough to leave him or SpM around do to their track record.

I find absolutely nothing wrong with anything that morm's said all Day.

Naria - Explains absecence. Says he won't do any analysing due to the fact that there's enough people doing that already. Will, however, give a personal thought later on about each of the players. Does not agree with double lynching theory.

Well, I find that Naria's being entirely unhelpful. Doesn't want to analyse because others are already doing it. That's worse than Form because you're actually admitting that you don't want to do any analysing.

Next: Garin, SpM and myself.

[Glirdan]

Garin - Won't spend all Day explaining himself to Cailin. Voted for Shelob to save his own neck. Also finds Gil and Wayne's vote odd. Doesn't like double lynching idea either. Thinks that if Wayne wants to die, we should let him but doesn't want to help in the killing.

Well, out of this, plus the post that I didn't put in (simply because there isn't anything in there that I haven't [technically] put in already), nothing out of the ordinary.

SpM - Comes on and does really long post, some of which is ranting that he didn't lead anyong purposely to vote for Shelob and Crombie. Also finds Valier's death bizzare. Adresses certain comments that have been made today.

I'm not putting anything else in because he's only made two posts, one of which you'd have to read yourself to get more out of it. However, out of that entire post, I must say that nothing seems out of the ordinary. I still don't trust him.

Now, for me: Comes on and says that he finds Valier's death odd. Adresses questions made by TGWBS. Finds Wayne and Gil's votes rather strange. Perhaps Cobblerish? Or maybe pulling a Nilp? Does analysis of everyone who's posted toDay and adresses comments made by SpM.

Take from that what you will. As for my suspcions list(not in order):

SpM
Gil
Wayne
malka

I think the following few people are mst likely innocent:

Cailin
morm

Still not sure of:

Form
TGWBS
Naria
Garin

As for those who haven't posted yet, I'll have to reserve judgement for them. I will have to vote very shortly. Out of the 4 I suspect, I don't know who to vote for.