'Which is as Fate to all Things Else’ - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

davem · 02-17-2006, 01:35 PM

Another problem, perhaps, is that Ainulindale is the work of the loremaster Rumil, which begs the question of whether the idea of only Men being free of the constraints of the Music has its origins in the teachings of the Valar or in Elvish belief.

What occurred to me on reading your post is the question of when we are dealing with fate & when we are dealing with a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the case of Turin I can't help thinking it is the latter, but with Halbarad I'm not so sure.

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02-17-2006, 01:35 PM	#30
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Another problem, perhaps, is that Ainulindale is the work of the loremaster Rumil, which begs the question of whether the idea of only Men being free of the constraints of the Music has its origins in the teachings of the Valar or in Elvish belief. What occurred to me on reading your post is the question of when we are dealing with fate & when we are dealing with a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the case of Turin I can't help thinking it is the latter, but with Halbarad I'm not so sure. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

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