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Late Istar
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Well, enough about that. In general, though, I'm pleased to see that the Day 1 discussion has been largely one concerning strategy rather than a parade of random accusations. My thoughts turn now toward my vote. In spite of the (I think) fairly productive discussion so far, it's still Day 1 and we have very little to go on. No one so far has struck me as particularly wolvish; in all likelihood (alas!) my vote will fall upon an innocent. But that's no reason to make it random; I shall at the least endeavour to make a (slightly) educated guess. Of all the villagers, the one that seems to me to have been the most helpful so far is littlemanpoet. I am inclined, for the moment, to think him innocent. If he's a wolf, then he's one most adept at playing the "helpful thinker" role. Boromir88 and SPM both seem to be helpful as well. At this early stage, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call either of them "likely innocent". But it seems to me that neither should be lynched on the first Day. Glirdan worries me slightly. He calls for the lynching of quiet villagers and then votes for Gil-Galad. Now, I can see how an innocent villager could easily do both of those things. But the vote for Gil-Galad seems a very "safe" move for a wolf. tar-ancalime is another one I have my eye on. Perhaps I'm reading too much into her posts, but it looks to me like she's eager to find excuses to bring suspicion upon people - first with her proposed moratorium on Seer talk (suggesting perhaps that anyone who talks about the Seers is to be suspected) and then with her statement that Spawn's summary "rubs me the wrong way". She has backed off of both of these, declaring that her moratorium was not intended to be a wolf-test and that Spawn's summary is not suspicious. Could be a wolf testing various approaches and backing off when they seem not to be working. I realize I am grasping at straws here, but that's as it must be. Again, neither Glirdan nor tar strikes me as "likely a wolf". But based on the rather meager evidence we have so far, I am leaning toward voting for one of them . |
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment.
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At the point this was written, there was nothing to go on with. And random accusations are not as useless as my featured acusee will make you think. If you are lucky, you may get the spotlight on a wolf, who will hopefully then make a mistake a honest villager will pick on later. Discussions can be left for later on the day, when villagers like myself have at least some evidence to go on. Such as the one presented above and the next one coming up The Questions: Even though one may think that a wolf will want to take a leading role in the village, so that people follow him (or her) while he carefully chooses plausible innocents to be lynched, it is quite a risky move. Only a bold wolf would do such thing, but how about Aiwendil's move? He is basically letting others take the lead, but at the same time he's putting himself on the 'good' side of the leaders. SpM, Morm or LMP are lilkely the most persuasive characters and Aiwendil seems to be trying to get them to trust him. Smart move, if you fear they may make a good case against you, isn't it? Following piece of 'evidence' Quote:
It is an astute and bold move to say that the Seer is useless 'till dead, master Aiwendil. That way, as long as the wolves don't nail the true seer too late, we villagers won't be able to trust whom we believe to be the Seer. And I think Aiwendil is also over-stating the problems the false seer might bring upon us. After all, it might not be long until we lynch someone the false seer has dreamt of and then he(she) will know who he(she) is. I think you are smart enough to realize that, Aiwendil.... I think you are trying to sow dissent and uncertainty in our ranks. Let's move on to post #60 Quote:
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Comments on SPM, LMP and Boro Again, we see Aiwendil trying to be nice to the most vocal ones. Comments on Tar-ancalime It's an easy target... If I wasn't so 'convinced' on Aiwendil's guilt, she'd be my prime suspect... but I think Tar-ancalime's mistakes look more like an innocent trying to do too much while Aiwendil's mistakes seem like a wolf trying to hide in plain view. Quote:
To conclude, I think that Aiwendil is being far too safe in his speech. Safe enough that it makes me think he's got something to hide. He's not playing a safe game for a villager because no villager needs to make sure the most vocal one's don't suspect him... an innocent villager knows he's innocent and trusts he will survive long enough to prove so. A guilty wolf needs to make 'friends' quickly, so that he can cast suspicion elswhere without any backlash when it's shown that the lynched person was an innocent (or even worse, a gifted). For those reasons I say we perform the following reaction Aiwendil + Gallows =====> Dead wolf I will come back later with my vote... you can all probably guess who it will most likely go to.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment.
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Sorry, I realize you might find my quote of Dancing Spawn a little confusing... I meant to add that it was her comments what got the ball rolling against Aiwendil in my head, but I must have forgotten to write that in. Good job Dancing, but you are not off the hook just yet.
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Well, the time approaches for me to vote, as I cannot be sure that I will be back later. But first …
I don’t particularly like Gil-Galad’s reaction vote for Glirdan, but it does seem fairly standard behaviour for him. I am wary of suspecting the quiet and/or confusing villagers when that is there usual pattern of behaviour, but that of course does not clear him either. I would like to hear more from him, but I’m not confident that we will. Quote:
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Of course, it is rather difficult for me to comment on my seeming “a little off” to you.
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Byronic Brand
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The 1590s
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I'm strongly tempted to vote for LMP just to give everyone a nice, cosy, everything's falling out just as usual feeling. But I think I will restrain this urge for the time being.
So far- Glirdan voted Gil Nilp voted Farael Lhuna voted Glirdan Gil revenge-voted Glirdan and tar-ancalime voted Eomer of the Rohirrim. This means that I'm inclined to clear tar-ancalime for the moment. I don't agree with her choice, but it looks like a sensible and worthy attempt to stop the village getting bogged down in a Glirdan-Gil feud. Gil on the other hand committed the cardinal sin of changing a throwaway early vote into a potential bandwagon. However, I'm not going to vote for him either, because it would be conformist and tedious to do so. The people tempting me at the moment are three old favourites-LMP as mentioned above; LMP's rival the Saucepan Man. While LMP's assertion that he possesses an unusual malevolent undercurrent seems like so much hot-air, the Viscount Kettle is sounding more reasonable in their confrontation at present and I always like to discomfit reasonable people; And Boromir88, above all. For all Aiwendil's assertion that he looks like one of the helpful ones, he hasn't really said all that much, except the infamous "Seems to be business as usual" post. A lot of noose-babble too, well shown up by dancing spawn. Yes, I think Boromir88 is my likely target, unless the need of the moment changes.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ciudad de Lago del Sal
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I am quite displeased that I will not have time to examine every post to the extent I would like to and my vote will not be as informed as I desire. Tomorrow is another day.
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This is all I can manage today. Probably will only have time for a quick vote. Good luck, all.
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Riveting Ribbiter
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Assigned to Mordor
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Okay then, I'm back. Looks like there's been a lot going on since I took a nap and went to work this morning...
First, I'm not inclined to vote for Glirdy. Under most circumstances, I would find his early vote for Gil alarming, but then I checked the village bulletin board and saw his notice of time constraints. So I don't find that nearly enough to go on and would rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now. For that matter, I'm not really finding much to go on, though, like SpM, I find tar-ancalime's shift from suspicion of spawn to a vote for Eomer odd. Must watch carefully. As for my 'diversion,' Ang's right. Just occupational banter to open a conversation. Shine the lights on my lily pad as you see fit. I enjoy attention. More later. I have to read the thread some more.
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Late Istar
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Farael: What can I say? Except - sorry, wrong. In some cases, I think you are simply reading too much into my words. In others, you seem to have misunderstood me. For instance, you say:
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Also, I did not claim "that the Seer is useless 'till dead". I said that it seems to me that the Seer's greatest value is after he/she has been revealed (usually by death). Anguirel wrote: Quote:
My vote will probably go to Tar-ancalime, for reasons stated earlier (and not to Glirdan because it seems better for the votes to be spread out). But I am not pressed for time and I will consider things again before making that final. |
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Corpus Cacophonous
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: A green and pleasant land
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And now I must vote.
For reasons that I have stated earlier, my main suspects at this point in time are elempi, Celuin and Lhunadarwen. I am also concerned about tar-ancalime’s flip-flop vote. However, she was talking sense before that so I am prepared, for now, to regard it as an attempt to break up the “Glirdan-Gil” feud, as Anguirel puts it. I will content myself with keeping an eye on lmp for the time being. I find him suspicious but, if innocent, he will undoubtedly be of great benefit to the village. And a vote for him from me now seems a bit peevish, if you get my meaning. Since I said that I would prefer to hear further from Celuin before acting on my suspicions arising from her reaction to morm’s random accusation, I will hold to that. There is simply not enough to go on with her at this stage. Which leaves me with Lhunardawen. Her vote for Glirdan seemed to be picking on too easy a target for my liking, given his very early vote for Gil-Galad. And despite trying to label herself as one of the quiet ones, she seems to have been rather eager to make her presence felt while she was here. It’s not a lot to go on, but that’s pretty standard for Day 1. And it’s just about the most that I have to go on at the moment. ++LHUNARDAWEN
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Auspicious Wraith
Join Date: May 2002
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The Mormegil's post #29 is a bit weird. Remember he had previously accused tar-ancalime, Celuien, Gil and Holbytlass (seemingly randomly). In #29 he says that they had all responded in the way he had expected them to (apart from Gil). What happened was this: Holby and Celuien laughed it off; tar-ancalime didn't even mention it; and Gil defended himself against Glirdan's vote, not mentioning Mormegil either. Mormegil then says he will continue to hold them (whoever 'they' are) in high suspicion.
I'm not accusing you Morm; I just find the post to be rather strange and would appreciate an explanation. I'll have to vote very soon. While tar's vote for me does seem slightly odd, I'm hesitating to vote for her because it will look like it's done out of spite. Saucepan Man, you have also commented on tar's vote. Do you think there could possibly be unity between tar and dancing spawn, and that they tried to insert a little bit of early animosity between them? Dancing spawn did say something like she couldn't believe that someone wanted to kill 'the rohirrim' or something I couldn't quite understand, and inserted a Sarcastic Smilie. Maybe she just loves me. Or maybe those two lassies might be worth keeping an eye on.
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I need to go soon and I shall cast my vote in a moment. However, a few things before that.
Farael makes some good points about Aiwendil in his theory. Some good arguments have been presented against tar-ancalime, too. However, at this point neither seem very suspicious, plus it's usually a bad sign if Sauce and I agree on a theory... the suspect is bound to be innocent. ![]() Quote:
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Frankly, I have no idea whom I will vote toDay. I'll go doing some rereading before I vote.
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Late Istar
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With little time available to me toDay I won't have the opportunity to go through all these posts as thoroughly as I would like, and so rather than go through half and perhaps make a bad call on the basis of that I'll vote
++GIL Because, ok, it takes a couple of Days sometimes to get into the swing of things, but not even reading the list of what roles are in is a bit off. Also, his vote, which seemed to be pure revenge for Glirdan's vote for him, which was an admittedly random vote. This is all pretty usual stuff for Gil, but perhaps we should stop letting people off for 'just being <insert name here> and get rid of them. I apologise for the lack of involvement. I'll do better!
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Riveting Ribbiter
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Assigned to Mordor
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Suppose a wolf steps forward and says, "Hey, I'm the Seer. So-and-so is a wolf. Lynch him." Village acts and finds out the statement was incorrect. Both real Seers remain hidden. Then the village thinks that they've found the false Seer. So far, we have a wolf hiding out as the false Seer. So yes, as long as ONLY the wolf has come forward, the wolf is safe. But that's a mighty risky position to be in, because sooner or later, whether by self-declaration or death, one of the actual Seers will be revealed. And then the second one definitely knows the wolf is a phony. I guess I just view Seer impersonation as a bad wolf strategy because it dooms the impersonator, even if not immediately. If I implied we would figure it out right away, I apologize. That's not what I meant. EDIT: cross-posted with Aiwendil, Kath, Farael and Anguirel.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment.
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And while, true, I maybe expressed myself wrong.... you say "people are worrying too much, the false seer is completely useless." yet I just showed you he's not totally useless. Worst case scenario, another known innocent. And then you say "the true seer is most useful when dead" so my point that you are trying to move us away from looking for hints of Seer'ism 'till the Seer is dead (when it might be too late to do anything about it, as guessing at subtle 'hints' is by no means a science.) still holds. Or I think it does. If you really want to adress my suspcions, do explain why you try to befriend all the loud ones? Until you do, and given that I must go now (quite ironically, to a Chem Lab in RL) I shall vote ++Aiwendil
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Being sick, being clueless, and being intent on keeping the pool of candidates wide open for lynching, I shall join forces with my "Twin" and vote:
++ Boromir88
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Byronic Brand
Join Date: Mar 2005
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We now have seven candidates on offer:
Gil Farael Glirdan Eomer Lhuna Boromir and Aiwendil. Methinks the vote is perhaps spread enough... EDIT: Cross-posted with Formendacil's vote, an interesting development, and Celuien's post
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Auspicious Wraith
Join Date: May 2002
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Formendacil's vote for Boromir88—he attempts to pass the blame to Anguirel should it prove nasty for the village. Could be nothing; but isn't Formendacil usually more vocal? Not at all convinced by the whole 'Day One is too hard to judge yet anyway' argument.
Sorry Lhuna but royalty or non-royalty, promise to defend you or no promise, little sister or not ( ), your vote strikes me as wolvish. The whole 'Oh, I'm sorry Glirdan, you're probably innocent but what can I do?' seems a bit too friendly and wanting-to-be-loved. Not so much the way you voted but how you voted.++LHUNARDAWEN Others I'm most suspicious of: Spawn, Tar, Mormegil, Formendacil. A lot of villagers are looking innocent to me but we all know how quickly things change.
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Farael wrote:
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Maundering Mage
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas
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I've been out busy with the soldier business and it's taken more time than I would like it to. However let me weigh in on some things and put forward my suspicions.
Tar, I do suspect but for reasons that have been stated. I would like to vote for her but I think I will hold my hand for the time being and not spread out votes further. Celuien I do find her moderately suspicious. The way she responded was odd and her behavior since has been a bit on the defensive. I don't think I will vote for her but I will watch. Farael I think his post about Aiwendil was helpful, though I don't entirely agree with him I think he is on the right track. Anguirel I don't understand half of what he says, I guess I'm a simple man of war and not a banker that speaks to naught but coins all day. Anyway, his sudden onset of suspicion towards Boromir is odd. While I can see some of his point I would find this behavior a bit more suspicious on day 2 or 3. On day 1 there really isn't a lot to go on. However what really is nagging me about Ang is how he outlined his suspcions and then almost as an afterthought included Boromir in it and then went fully after him. Gil-Galad. I may actually vote for him because of his behavior and if not now when? He'll be the constant enigma and everyday we will be wondering. So ++Gil-Galad
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My apologies to all for my lack of participation thus far... coming down sick at work does very little for the brain- or for playing this game in general.
That said, I've always found posting on Day 1 to be a general waste of time for me. As noted elsewhere, I try to guess Werewolves by who seems to be playing wrong. With Day 1 being a journey through the absurd and with the game not having gone on long enough to detect any oddities in playing style, it seems pointless for me to post, since I have nothing to say. Furthermore, the old police adage about "Anything you say can and will be used against you" comes to mind. If one has nothing to say, then posting randomly so as not to appear suspicious is pointless, since people will find your posting just as suspicious as your not-posting.
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Itinerant Songster
Join Date: Jan 2002
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I'm glad to see this growing suspicion. Boromir's attempt to instill fear in the same quoted post got my notice, as it did SPM's (I believe). That's all for now. |
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Itinerant Songster
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Okay, here's a reconstruction of the voting so far, hope it's soon enough:
1. Glirdan -> Gil-Galad (1) 2. Nilp -> Farael (1) 3. Lhuna -> Glirdan (1) 4. Gil-Galad -> Glirdan (1) 5. Tar Ancalime -> Eomer (1) 6. SPM -> Lhuna (1) 7. Anguirel -> Boromir (1) (glad to see it by the way) 8. Farael -> Aiwendil (1) 9. Formendacil -> Boromir (2) (right on!) 10. Mormegil -> Gil-Galad (2) 11. Eomer -> Lhuna (2) 12. Aiwendil -> Tar (1) 13. Kath -> Gil-Galad (3) (grrrr!) 14. Holbytlass -> Tar (2) 15. Celuien -> Gil-Galad (4) (double grr!) 16. Spawn -> Lhuna (3) 17. Garin -> Boromir (3) (good!) and now for my addition: ++ Boromir88 Simply most suspicious. |
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