WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Naria

Really now, all this talk about 'taking a closer look' at the quiet ones....and this early in the first DAY...pish-aww!

I think the first DAY is pretty much a wait and see kind of thing--wait and see what everyone has posted and go from there closer to vote time.

I meant not to take a closer look at the quiet ones this early! Just hoped us to voice our intention to do it when this first evening falls: as to lay some pressure on them to actually contribute something during the day. If the quiet one is a wulf, and knows to be safe by staying quiet, we most probably kill an innocent player posting much, and so being a good contributor to the game at later stages, and even enjoyable to play with: be s/he ordo, gifted or even a wulf!

Obviously our chances of killing an innocent are great in any case, but why to make the situation even worse? Or why to ruin our gaming-satisfaction by leaving all-non-contributors to stay alive and kill the productive & entertaining posters?

All these are thoughts on the tactics of the first day! As soon as we have something more solid on hand, we should go for it then and kill the maniac-cursed-villain, even if s/he be the most entertaining poster around!

PS. By quieteness I also mean posting nonsense...

[Anguirel]

The problem is, Nogrod me ole deconstructionist, that not all who like to avoid attention are villains.

And not all who soak up attention through their every pore and embrace it like a long-lost love are innocents.

We can't be quite so formulaic.

The minstrel spoke some sense before he scarpered; of his three, I particularly suspect (on instinct, mind) Witch_Queen and Valesse. Largely because I know that...well, certainly Valesse is capable of expressing herself subtly and ought to have a good deal more to say. I expect she'll lean back on the old Day One excuse.

[Anguirel]

In this town in particular, moaning about Day Ones is the act of a piteous coward, poltroon and fool. Remember the words of our recently lost friend!

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Well the first two will definately affect the game in some way but after that it all depends on how the game plays out. I won't be dropping off any hints but if you look closely enough you may just find something you could use to your advantage.

So in other words...any of us with more than a little sense should be spending time frantically analysing and over-analysing the introduction to our peril. Evidence could be right in front of our noses...

[JennyHallu]

JennyHallu
Roa_Aoife
Nogrod
Thinlomien
Naria
Valier
Gil-Galad
Anguirel
THE Ka - Deceased - Werewolf
Witch_Queen
Eonwe
Valesse
Holbytlass
Littlemanpoet - Deceased - Innocent
Encaitare

[Holbytlass]

Thanks to those who took out a wolf yesterDAY, I'm sure at least one fellow wolf voted for The Ka. And very sad to see elempi gone, his wisdom and lyrics will be soorly missed.

Originally Posted by Anguriel

What are we supposed to make of this? Either Holby is teasing Sleepy's error, or she's another kind of governor in this town.

Anguriel, I oughta whack you with an anvil! I suppose the thought never occured to you that yes, I do know the proper meaning of "governess" but that Sleepy's mistake did not bother me and so I adopted his definition. As for being another kind of governor, well perhaps Sleepy is teasing me knowing I'm definitely not one of the mentally elite .
Anyway, I'm going back and try to make something of yestDAY's voting record.

[Anguirel]

Thanks Holby, anvil and all. A perfectly adequate self-defence. I had little foundation on which to vote, of course, and the case against THE Ka seemed so...obvious...allow me to mutter to myself about woods and trees.

I now suspect you no more than most. Possibly a little less.

We need to examine the victorious wolf-hangers, the THE Ka bandwagon, and see to what extent we can clear them of wrongdoing.

[JennyHallu]

the case against THE Ka seemed so...obvious

Then why, if you felt you had little else to go on, did you NOT vote for the obvious wolf?

The case you made against Holby felt, frankly, mostly specious at the time. I find it mildly curious that such a strong player as yourself chose to post mostly in ambiguous rhymes, then vote on a weak case when you admit the case for the proven wolf was strong?

[Nogrod]

Case Valesse

The "votepost" for me, her last, was the following:

I'm not so keen on Nogrod, who first called for a system of murder. I don't claim to know exactly how to tell a bad egg when I see one, but I feel there is something just a little too drastic going on in that mind. This is death, and we should not be so quick to it, I'd say. It might not be the best explanation, but by the way things look toDay, it'll have no effect, so no harm done. It's more expressing my hunch than anything else.

1. This is death, and we should not be so quick to it, I'd say. What a rhetoric!
A) Valesse had known, even before the start of the game, that we would have to lynch one the first day. So what I call this kind of thing, is hypocrisy.
B) She herself was quick enough to throw a lynching verdict on me just two sentences after that! So who's the quick one here? (there is no hint, or theory, or accusation before this one!) I spent the whole day trying to figure out some reasonable ways to act on, when the time would be.
C) I have not said, we should be quick to point the finger! I myself gave my vote quite reluctantly, because any of the theories didn't seem quite right, at the last possible instance for me.

2. To call a system of murder? Well yes and no. I called for something other than random killing with just hunches (or picking the one, three names down in the list!) - if there just could be another way. That surely always is the hope of the new day: that the evening would be wiser than the morning. And luckily, you could try to help in it by trying to get some action. I have not said, that we should immediately lynch or vote to lynch anyone not posting in the first three hours of game. Even I am not that stupid!

3. I don't claim to know exactly how to tell a bad egg when I see one, but I feel there is something just a little too drastic going on in that mind. You could say that from anyone, and by the shelter of the net, really throw it around. It's more expressing my hunch than anything else The only sentence to the point in this message?

But as 3. (or the sentence preceeding it in actual post) is not so bad as the others, I'd still like to look at points 1. and 2. from a more general point of view.

So why is she clad in the mist of rhetoric (including downright lies!), and why the false accusations?

The bad rhetoric (or lying) might show, that she is hiding her real intentions. Lying = trying us to be convinced that she is not thinking what she actually is thinking.

The false accusations (my "system of murder" - rhetoric here too...) might show that she is either deliberately avoiding the mentioning of my posts where I have rebutted this fantastic interpretation of my views,

or then, she just hasn't read the posts!

Well, we can't just enforce every player to read every post! On the other hand, it's quite questionable, from the moral point of view, to play without reading the posts.

What is downright suspicious (on both moral and wolvish standards), is going to vote for someone, who's posts you haven't read - accusing that one with false grounds, while hiding one's own intents by rhetoric that one herself denies two sentences later!

The two earlier posts were normal posts of the early hours. Nothing in them that I would like to go for, at least the time being...

Suspicious for me, but not a strong candidate. At this hour.

[Nogrod]

Well my fellow villagers, you really seemed to have had quite an ending the last night! I do congratulate, first and foremost Roa, to have get us rid of a wolf! I just couldn't believe this RL-stuff. If the moderator should be impartial, here he wasn't (some people could have the knowledge, most did not)...

But there seems to be something quite interesting - not only from my personal view - in the last night's late hours.

As a quick summary I do find the last 1h.20min. include only:

1 apology for giving misinformation

2 summaries

1 personal reflection (given as an excuse?), including commenting + a downright abusement of me (leading quite soon to being one of the posters with the next three)

3 votes against me with either false (2) or (masked)hunch-grounds (1)


This sure gives, at least for me, some food for thought...

I'll be analyzing these accusations and the accusators' earlier posts before I go to sleep.

I know, that a detailed defence is overall susceptable. But in this instance - last 1½ hours bandwagon of three, with myself no possibility of answering, kind of justifies my analysis. And because one of these must be a wolf (my "hunch", this time... ), there could be something there.

Let's see, what there is to be found...

[Roa_Aoife]

Found it. It's this post.

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Don't find suspicious at this moment: Anguriel,Nogrod (despite the heated posts) and Roa_Aoife.

This was posted on Day 2, so that would be two nights of dreaming, and her fellow seer. (Nogrod if you're the seer again, I'll die laughing.)