WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Anguirel]

Because I know that an "obvious wolf" often turns out to be a helpful chap with a cloak and sword, a crossbow and or an astrolabe.

Why did I post in poetry for a little while? Passes the time, exercises the Muse, and keeps up a factor that cannot be easily worked out by analysis or mathematics-namely morale.

Besides, my verse wasn't wholly valueless. What was dangerous was when the whole village slid, Pied Piper style, into doggerel echoing my own. And it's quite interesting to observe who were most eager to don the reassuring bardic role, and what their motives may have been.

As for the accusation towards Holby-you may laugh at it, but you'd be considering it if THE Ka had turned out to be innocent. Presenting an alternate view-even if an incorrect one-is always, always preferable to a herd vote. There are many possible wolves in the Ka-camp as it is. Do you yearn so much, in retrospect, for me to be in that running too?

A range of opinions is no evil, and if you really desire to hang the lone theorists, you end up with a pack of pheasants waiting to be converted, quite systematically, into game pie.

[JennyHallu]

Thank you for your answer. The rhyme had been bothering me since your first few posts, and as I had connection trouble all Day yesterDay--I was lucky to be able to vote, I was not able to ask you about it.

I think the quick descension into copycat verse was, however, easily foreseen.

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But, since the Ka was a wolf, speculations on what we would have been doing toDay had she been innocent are largely, in my mind, irrelevant. I think today we need to take a close look at those among us, who, although they came in and voted long after the case for THE Ka - and its likely result - was already set in stone, voted in a second, lateborn bandwagon.

Originally Posted by Naria

Come on man, do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. I picked my occupation not Sleepy, I think he's just going along with our job descriptions at this point in the game. So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far.

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

[Anguirel]

I think he'll be more reserved with regard to narration in future. Rather bad luck on the predators if he isn't...

The Nogrod bandwagon too, as has been mentioned by...Nogrod...is so bumbling, bizarre, ill-motivated and yet popular that it deserves a look. It could be supported, though not, I tend to feel, initiated, by a cack-handed werewolf.

[JennyHallu]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I think he'll be more reserved with regard to narration in future. Rather bad luck on the predators if he isn't...

The Nogrod bandwagon too, as has been mentioned by...Nogrod...is so bumbling, bizarre, ill-motivated and yet popular that it deserves a look. It could be supported, though not, I tend to feel, initiated, by a cack-handed werewolf.

I'm sorry...pure question of definition. What does cack-handed mean?

[Valier]

Our pooR Littlemanpoet! Dead as well! *cOugh* *cough*

I seem to have come down with a cold from all this so called fresh air.*Cough* *Cough* (Ok Ok It's because writing in z's and v's is really harder than I thought!)

I am glad that we got one of the baddies! I have looked at The Ka's posts, there were only two. She only mentioned Valesse, Jenny and Roa. She said they fell out of her suspision. She voted for Thinlo because she had not posted yet. Also suspected Witch-Queen for her no-show.

I did see afterwards that there was a bit of a bandwagon for Nogrod. I would have probably been the first to vote for him, but Valesse beat me to it. Nogrod's posts....I don't know errk me. But I need to read his posts over. Valesse has come up for me to look at today. Her post/vote for Nogrod, came right after I posted my concerns about him. I was taking a shot in the dark (You always do on the first day) I didn't think anyone would vote with me, it was pretty spread out then. The Ka did mention her First as not being suspisious....

Well I'll go back through and see if I can come up with anything else.*cough* *cough*

P.S. Please do not take the change in accent as suspisious...It really was hard to put down thoughts with all that nonsense...Sorry! I thought it would be fun...It was not.)

[Nogrod]

Case Naria

The "abusement"-post #100 (the quote here was preceded by quotes of mine pointing to different "hints" by Sleepy that could be associated to Naria):

Come on man, do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. I picked my occupation not Sleepy, I think he's just going along with our job descriptions at this point in the game. So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far.

do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? Surely not! Could anyone of us give an honest vote on the first day? (Well one can always hope, there is a chance for that...)

I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. Even though there is a some reason behind this, it might as well be read as pure rhetorics gag, trying to make any suspicions based on Sleepy's texts unbelievable! And we already saw, that Sleepy did provide us our first wolf-kill!

So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far Am I just seeing something where there is nothing, but this could be read as a clear threat!!! Read it in that light, and you will see it...

And the "votingpost":

Wow, looks like the time is drawing near so I shall vote now. I don't agree with the way Nogrod went after all of the quiet ones so quick and early and kept that discussion going, having someone like him around would not help at all...out for blood he is!

Wow, looks like the time is drawing near so I shall vote now. And this remark is done only some ½ hours later from the earlier one!!! Wow - indeed! What a surprise to her it must have been?

I don't agree with the way Nogrod went after all of the quiet ones so quick and early and kept that discussion going We indeed had this same discussion earlier: posts 32 (Naria) and 38 (me). That seems to have not have any bearing on her accusations. Check them, and see for yourselves.

So she's ignoring the reply, and repeating the accusation that was shown illinformed or misunderstood! Just hoping, that no-one would check the thing out?

having someone like him around would not help at all... So it's not helpful to have someone around, who really tries to make the difference (I do admit, that my first day performance was not so good: I couldn't make you all to see my point, and I didn't bet on the right horse - it was just so unbelievable that the mod would bring some RL things into a game...). I would like to ask Naria, which kind of people she would see useful around? Maybe a village full of WQ's (no posts) could be nice, or Gil-Galads (one, nonsense)? To whom, might these be of assistance: to the WW's or to the villagers? If you are a villager proper and not a traitor, why do you think that people who try to elaborate over things, who try to find clues etc. are "not of any help at all"? I would find even a elaborate wolf "of even some help" (compared to this "no help at all")!!!

So what do we have here above?

Trying to play down looking at Sleepy's hints (which ½ hour later turned out to be relevant and to the point).

Threatening! (who could actually use a threat in this game, but a wolf?)

Lying / false accusations.

Pure wolf-talk (talk from the wolf's point of view).

Faltering rhetoric and questionable turns of words.

You may all think about this what you will. I will read Naria's posts quite carefully today...

There is the hint by Sleepy, which I myself admit - alongside Naria - to be quite absurdingly "too clear": there is a madman loose (Naria is pictured as mad) etc. But her actions, and the above, really makes me suspicious (being suspicious is not a proof of anything, and not even an accusation!).

But: jumpy like a wulf?

Look also at the rhetoric at Naria's post #32...

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

I'm sorry Jenny-lately you've been rather a stalwart ally-but I recognise this emotion. It is frustration.

[JennyHallu]

I'm afraid I can be totally innocent and still think this game seems rather weighted. I have been your ally, Ang, and I am an innocent...but I still am allowed to feel rather sorry for the wolves.

[Anguirel]

Your defence is noted. But that sentiment will still be formidable evidence for the prosecution. On which note, a joke I read this morning:

PRISONER: As God is my judge I'm not guilty.

JUDGE: He's not, I am, you are.

[Nogrod]

One thing to consider:

Valesse was reserved against all-out mass-revelation, Jenny supported it, little by little ever more.

Now as Roa's dreams have been really succesful (no dead-ones in them), we have the win in our hand tomorrow the latest. But it might have been worse. In that case I think refraining fron mass-revelation (leaving it to the seer to judge, whethwer the situation was good enough for her to reveal herself - as it seems to have been) is the more sensible idea, and would then talk for Valesse and against Jenny?

X-posted with Valesse

[Nogrod]

...or against Gil...

[Valesse]

Clarification:
Now hang on Ang, I didn't say that I believed you to be the wolf, I just was trying to express how we need to be careful incase our remaining wolf decided to seem inventive. I could have done a much better job at wording it, but seeing as the basic impression seems to have been communicated, I'll leave it alone. I might be slippery, but after all the grief I had last game without being accused until the last Day, it's quite a bit more comfortable. I don't feel like a near-invisable chicken with it's head cut off.

Curve Ball:
I'd like to mention something that might make me look a little more guilty of these crimes, because it doesn't settle well with me that you're all using it as proof:

Originally Posted by Seery McSeererson

I don't think Val would be foolish enough to bandwagon an innocent with her fellow wolf.

I voted before Enca did yesterDay, and I'm quite sure she just voted for her life. Thank you, Roa for the support. I had a feeling you were the seer since... well I voiced it in #238

Originally Posted by Me

Roa brought it up, and seeing as I'm not exactly wary of her I'm very keen on looking in to it

So where are we now in the game? When the wolf starts to panic? By the sudden shortening of posts, and desperation in tone it sure looks like it.

[Encaitare]

1. littlemanpoet, currently deceased. He worded his suspicions for her as such:

Originally Posted by Elempi

1. Votes for Thinlomiel after others have voiced some suspicion in that direction, thereby following a trend.
2. She protests way too much in defense of every single possible contingency of which she finds herself able to be accused; that seems rather guilty behavior to me.
3. I notice that others have found other areas of suspicion that I have not yet had time to research.

The "other areas" would refer to the messages in Sleepy's posts.

2. Roa_Aoife

I believe she was the first one to really bring up the thing with the Cupid's arrow, and Sleepy and Ka's RL relationship. She based her vote on that.

3. Encaitare

I was at first skeptical of whether the theories had any substance. But as it was Day 1 I had nothing else to go on, and I find too much self-defense and empty words to be suspicious, hence my vote.

4. Thinlomien

Admitted that a vote for Ka is bandwagoning, but also that Ka is "the most suspicious peson here," and therefore voted for her nevertheless.

5. JennyHallu

The final vote for Ka, though she crossposted with Thinlomien. She wrote that the Cupid's Arrow argument "seems very very sound".

It's quite possible that one of these is a wolf, though it's difficult to say who it could be. It's doubtful that it's Roa, as she cast the second vote that really got the whole thing going. That'd have to be one bold wolf. As for Lommy and Jenny, I would wonder if a wolf would allow the bandwagon to continue. Since Jenny crossposted with Lommy, they both would have thought they were the fourth vote. At this time, the voting still could have been swung in a different direction with a convincing enough argument. So again, it's a little hard to tell. If anyone has some ideas about this, let's hear them!

(I have left myself out of my analysis there, as analyzing my votes is a task better suited to others.)

Now I must depart; I shall return later tonight.

[Anguirel]

Cack-handed, damosel, means clumsy, unsubtle.

An interesting analysis of the Ka-voters from Enca...for some reason I'd thought Roa had started the movement, not LMP. Thanks for the clarification. It's true that by the orthodox patterns of wolvery, the signs point to Jenny and Thinlomien, but who knows if a more radical tactic would serve us more reliably?

I wonder what sort of part THE Ka played in the triumvirate. Though articulate, I feel she wouldn't have risen to a commanding role. Depending on who her companions were, of course.

I am not especially worried by LMP's valiant fall. The wolves obviously slew him thinking that even if not gifted, his experience would make him a fearsome enemy. I would differ from that approach. As an innocent, he causes altogether too much controversy, usually pretty much undeserved...but old habits die hard, and I'm almost glad his puzzle has been solved.

Look well upon the analysis he left, now we now he's reliable. Alas, he wasn't as talkative as usual...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

An interesting analysis of the Ka-voters from Enca...for some reason I'd thought Roa had started the movement, not LMP. Thanks for the clarification. It's true that by the orthodox patterns of wolvery, the signs point to Jenny and Thinlomien, but who knows if a more radical tactic would serve us more reliably?

Just came to my mind, that Jenny said she cross-posted with Thinlómien. Well there is 10 minutes gap between their votes, and Jenny's is not so very long or thorough one! Everyone knows, one can write to the post, that one has x-posted.

There even isn't that edited...xxx -thing attached to the bottom of the post.

I may be seeing ghosts here, but perhaps there could be something?

My time to sleep draws near, but anyone with nothing else to do: a quick look at Jenny's posting might be worthwhile?

[Anguirel]

A chimerical accusation, Nogrod-give the poor doomsayer a break. If she deserves suspicion, it's certainly not because of quibbling over posting times. I think her a better sport than to resort to the low trick of claiming to cross-post, and expect she paused for a refreshing quart of whisky or two...or at the least a cup of tea...

But I digress. Nogrod, one wolf may have voted for you, but if two did, then I'm a methagallinarius d'or rampant on a field sable. I would advise you to broaden your scope a little beyond those who suspected you, though I accept your reaction is a natural one.

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod -- in answer to what you said concerning my X post with Lommy. This was a case of RL intruding on my fun...I was posting from work. Occasionally I need to leave my window open while I take care of some other work related thing. YesterDay at work we had a major crisis come up while I was posting--a major power outage at the hospital our company does maintenance for. Luckily we're on a separate circuit so I didn't lose my post, but I did have to drop everything and deal with the issue. A power failure at a hospital can, as I'm sure you can see, be catastrophic.

As for no "edit" note, that is because I forgot, and was doing it quickly so I could get back to work.

[JennyHallu]

As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

But I think Nogrod has a point about Naria. To phrase it in more objective terms, she did not seem to lean towards any particular suspect, but waited until the last minute to make a vote that I have to see as safe: someone widely suspected, but not likely to actually be lynched.

And I feel we would be remiss if, no matter the dire situation surrounding us, we did not take the time to say:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VALESSE!!!!

Many happy returns!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

A chimerical accusation, Nogrod-give the poor doomsayer a break. If she deserves suspicion, it's certainly not because of quibbling over posting times.

Well, I wasn't quite accusing, at least I hope so (I said: I may be seeing ghosts ). And I agree, that would be a bad sportmanship. But as I looked at those two posts, I just couldn't help noticing the time-difference. The case is as solid as it sounds (=very unsolid indeed).

But I digress. Nogrod, one wolf may have voted for you, but if two did, then I'm a methagallinarius d'or rampant on a field sable. I would advise you to broaden your scope a little beyond those who suspected you, though I accept your reaction is a natural one.

I wouldn't believe for any more than one either! Or then we would just have very very stupid wolves around!!!

And rest assured, I will broaden my scope.

I just felt quite so frustrated, and kind of insulted, to have been spotted and bandwagoned that way at the last possible hour, that I kind of just wanted to make it clear to myself, where did these accusations stem up from, and whether there is something, that we could profit from as a village.

Also, with my quite accusatory analysis, I wish to show, as a self-defence of a kind, that I can come up with accusations too, if someone so wishes. But anyways: that's the way I like to play: not hiding in shadows, or throwing random accusations at the last minute, but going for it, trying to build cases that would really help, and for which I myself could really vote for...

As I'm heading for bed, I'll promise to come back with this case behind me. Valier's posts are so elusive, that I'm not sure, whether there is anything to point out actually. I'll probably take one look at them tomorrow, and then refocus everything up to date.

And I surely hope, there has been some more posting meanwhile to get into...

X-posted with the last three...

[Eonwe]

Just checking in. Congrats to everyone yesterday who voted for THE Ka. Well done, though I'm sure one of you is a wolf. I'm guessing someone who voted right after LMP or right near the end. The first being 'slip in my vote when it won't look bad' and the second being 'salvage what I can from the reckage'.

Other than that, I need to read through the posts and sift through the evidence left by THE Ka. I'll be back on later, hopefully with something to bring to the table.

[Nogrod]

=JENNY A power failure at a hospital can, as I'm sure you can see, be catastrophic.

I apologize! I was mis-/uninformed.

=JENNY As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

I'm about to think about the same, although I'm quite distracted with Valier's elusiveness...

Concerning my aggressiveness: who needs to be afraid of a vocal player who tries to do something?

Well, surely I admit. The aggressiveness. I don't want to post one "hello, what a pity s/he died" -post a day... That's miserable gaming.

And why is everyone so scared of their lives? This is a game! No-ones' really gonna die... So play in a dull way (not enjoying it) and keep yourself alive two more days? What's the fun there?

=ANGUIREL I disagree with you, Jenny, about the motive of our hypothetical Nogrod-voting wolf. I'm pretty sure they'd be counting on the gathering momentum to save their comrade...unsuccessfully, but at that stage they weren't to know that.

Well, I kind of had that feeling too. Otherwise it truly baffles me... I mean: two out of three last votes (within the last 1½ hours), would anyhow seemed "natural": people quite not knowing what to do, and distasting my style of playing. But three is a lot! 100% of votes at the last call, when couple of votes were still waited in - and happily never came. With double lynching, I would have been a goner with those both sleepers on board, getting on board the wagon...

Detail: Valier's and Naria's votes came in after Roa had apologized, that she had been wrong, and that double lynchings were indeed the rule!!!

But I do simultaneosly think, that they couldn't be the two of them there: it would be too obvious. And again: very cunning wolves could count on just that - nobody would believe, that two of them would bandwagon with a last instant vote!

Well you never know.

First stage: you are a fool and reveal yourself

Second stage: you are wise and hide yourself

Third stage: You are very wise and reveal yourself, and then defend by saying, I'm not a fool (1st. stage)

Fourth stage: You are overtly cunning, and hide yourself, and defend yourself by saying, that you are not just some medium player who would try to hide oneself (2nd. stage)

Fifth stage: ... etc.

Good night,

and happy birthday Valesse!

PS. this is not like a birthday gift, but I'd like to mention, that I really am beginning to think, that you are the least suspicious one of the three of you...