WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Anguirel]

Cack-handed, damosel, means clumsy, unsubtle.

An interesting analysis of the Ka-voters from Enca...for some reason I'd thought Roa had started the movement, not LMP. Thanks for the clarification. It's true that by the orthodox patterns of wolvery, the signs point to Jenny and Thinlomien, but who knows if a more radical tactic would serve us more reliably?

I wonder what sort of part THE Ka played in the triumvirate. Though articulate, I feel she wouldn't have risen to a commanding role. Depending on who her companions were, of course.

I am not especially worried by LMP's valiant fall. The wolves obviously slew him thinking that even if not gifted, his experience would make him a fearsome enemy. I would differ from that approach. As an innocent, he causes altogether too much controversy, usually pretty much undeserved...but old habits die hard, and I'm almost glad his puzzle has been solved.

Look well upon the analysis he left, now we now he's reliable. Alas, he wasn't as talkative as usual...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

An interesting analysis of the Ka-voters from Enca...for some reason I'd thought Roa had started the movement, not LMP. Thanks for the clarification. It's true that by the orthodox patterns of wolvery, the signs point to Jenny and Thinlomien, but who knows if a more radical tactic would serve us more reliably?

Just came to my mind, that Jenny said she cross-posted with Thinlómien. Well there is 10 minutes gap between their votes, and Jenny's is not so very long or thorough one! Everyone knows, one can write to the post, that one has x-posted.

There even isn't that edited...xxx -thing attached to the bottom of the post.

I may be seeing ghosts here, but perhaps there could be something?

My time to sleep draws near, but anyone with nothing else to do: a quick look at Jenny's posting might be worthwhile?

[Anguirel]

A chimerical accusation, Nogrod-give the poor doomsayer a break. If she deserves suspicion, it's certainly not because of quibbling over posting times. I think her a better sport than to resort to the low trick of claiming to cross-post, and expect she paused for a refreshing quart of whisky or two...or at the least a cup of tea...

But I digress. Nogrod, one wolf may have voted for you, but if two did, then I'm a methagallinarius d'or rampant on a field sable. I would advise you to broaden your scope a little beyond those who suspected you, though I accept your reaction is a natural one.

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod -- in answer to what you said concerning my X post with Lommy. This was a case of RL intruding on my fun...I was posting from work. Occasionally I need to leave my window open while I take care of some other work related thing. YesterDay at work we had a major crisis come up while I was posting--a major power outage at the hospital our company does maintenance for. Luckily we're on a separate circuit so I didn't lose my post, but I did have to drop everything and deal with the issue. A power failure at a hospital can, as I'm sure you can see, be catastrophic.

As for no "edit" note, that is because I forgot, and was doing it quickly so I could get back to work.

[JennyHallu]

As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

But I think Nogrod has a point about Naria. To phrase it in more objective terms, she did not seem to lean towards any particular suspect, but waited until the last minute to make a vote that I have to see as safe: someone widely suspected, but not likely to actually be lynched.

And I feel we would be remiss if, no matter the dire situation surrounding us, we did not take the time to say:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VALESSE!!!!

Many happy returns!

[Anguirel]

Aye. Happy Birthday, quite.

But to return to matters more prosaic ere I go to analyse the battle of Antioch...

I disagree with you, Jenny, about the motive of our hypothetical Nogrod-voting wolf. I'm pretty sure they'd be counting on the gathering momentum to save their comrade...unsuccessfully, but at that stage they weren't to know that.

Now farewell a while...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

A chimerical accusation, Nogrod-give the poor doomsayer a break. If she deserves suspicion, it's certainly not because of quibbling over posting times.

Well, I wasn't quite accusing, at least I hope so (I said: I may be seeing ghosts ). And I agree, that would be a bad sportmanship. But as I looked at those two posts, I just couldn't help noticing the time-difference. The case is as solid as it sounds (=very unsolid indeed).

But I digress. Nogrod, one wolf may have voted for you, but if two did, then I'm a methagallinarius d'or rampant on a field sable. I would advise you to broaden your scope a little beyond those who suspected you, though I accept your reaction is a natural one.

I wouldn't believe for any more than one either! Or then we would just have very very stupid wolves around!!!

And rest assured, I will broaden my scope.

I just felt quite so frustrated, and kind of insulted, to have been spotted and bandwagoned that way at the last possible hour, that I kind of just wanted to make it clear to myself, where did these accusations stem up from, and whether there is something, that we could profit from as a village.

Also, with my quite accusatory analysis, I wish to show, as a self-defence of a kind, that I can come up with accusations too, if someone so wishes. But anyways: that's the way I like to play: not hiding in shadows, or throwing random accusations at the last minute, but going for it, trying to build cases that would really help, and for which I myself could really vote for...

As I'm heading for bed, I'll promise to come back with this case behind me. Valier's posts are so elusive, that I'm not sure, whether there is anything to point out actually. I'll probably take one look at them tomorrow, and then refocus everything up to date.

And I surely hope, there has been some more posting meanwhile to get into...

X-posted with the last three...

[Eonwe]

Just checking in. Congrats to everyone yesterday who voted for THE Ka. Well done, though I'm sure one of you is a wolf. I'm guessing someone who voted right after LMP or right near the end. The first being 'slip in my vote when it won't look bad' and the second being 'salvage what I can from the reckage'.

Other than that, I need to read through the posts and sift through the evidence left by THE Ka. I'll be back on later, hopefully with something to bring to the table.

[Nogrod]

=JENNY A power failure at a hospital can, as I'm sure you can see, be catastrophic.

I apologize! I was mis-/uninformed.

=JENNY As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

I'm about to think about the same, although I'm quite distracted with Valier's elusiveness...

Concerning my aggressiveness: who needs to be afraid of a vocal player who tries to do something?

Well, surely I admit. The aggressiveness. I don't want to post one "hello, what a pity s/he died" -post a day... That's miserable gaming.

And why is everyone so scared of their lives? This is a game! No-ones' really gonna die... So play in a dull way (not enjoying it) and keep yourself alive two more days? What's the fun there?

=ANGUIREL I disagree with you, Jenny, about the motive of our hypothetical Nogrod-voting wolf. I'm pretty sure they'd be counting on the gathering momentum to save their comrade...unsuccessfully, but at that stage they weren't to know that.

Well, I kind of had that feeling too. Otherwise it truly baffles me... I mean: two out of three last votes (within the last 1½ hours), would anyhow seemed "natural": people quite not knowing what to do, and distasting my style of playing. But three is a lot! 100% of votes at the last call, when couple of votes were still waited in - and happily never came. With double lynching, I would have been a goner with those both sleepers on board, getting on board the wagon...

Detail: Valier's and Naria's votes came in after Roa had apologized, that she had been wrong, and that double lynchings were indeed the rule!!!

But I do simultaneosly think, that they couldn't be the two of them there: it would be too obvious. And again: very cunning wolves could count on just that - nobody would believe, that two of them would bandwagon with a last instant vote!

Well you never know.

First stage: you are a fool and reveal yourself

Second stage: you are wise and hide yourself

Third stage: You are very wise and reveal yourself, and then defend by saying, I'm not a fool (1st. stage)

Fourth stage: You are overtly cunning, and hide yourself, and defend yourself by saying, that you are not just some medium player who would try to hide oneself (2nd. stage)

Fifth stage: ... etc.

Good night,

and happy birthday Valesse!

PS. this is not like a birthday gift, but I'd like to mention, that I really am beginning to think, that you are the least suspicious one of the three of you...

[Nogrod]

My last add-on for now:

Jenny! I kind of accepted your explanation concerning my quite innocent notion concerning the posting times between you and Thin'lo. Even though, I wondered, why did you have to defend so overwhelmingly (well I'm the one to accuse someone about overwhelming self-defence!? ). But anyhow. The thing that caused me to put forward this one is here:

As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

Why is it, that you are outright lying with this one?

(all times GMT)

Valesse posted her vote: 5:41

Valier posted 6:07

Naria 6:37

So there is 26 minutes between Valesse and Valier, and no mentioning of cross-posting!

I really was suspecting Naria before that, but now I have to admit, that her scorn over me could be from outside this game (or partly from within this one), and probably be purely personal, well, who knows? Something like that would explain her harshness etc. ("my presence being not helpful at all")

One possible combination of wolves could be Jenny and Valier...? And there are lots of other combinations too.

Read this clearly: this is not an accusation, this is a lead for anyone to see through, to analyze, to whatever.

Just suggesting alternative theories. That's what we have to do, if we are to take down the wolves... We will have to see different possibilities through and then to ponder over them. I myself have made a couple of light cases / questions, and admitted them being wrong the moment, being given a good explanation to them.

And as in the last game (my first), I do the same thing in this game too, and ask for you to accuse me also! Do it not by saying: I don't like him or his playing style, or I have a hunch he's "out for blood" etc. but make some solid accusations! Only with those can I show my innocense and make you believe, I'm for the good of the village (and avoid those creepy bandwagons of the night...)!

[Nogrod]

PS to the earlier one's...

I'll have to try to get my own head straight with these two last posts. First I was thinking having a good case on the first one, then on this second one.

What differentiates these two posts? Additional information.

So write people, write...

Maybe we will have something done when the evening comes?

[Naria]

I'd like to address a few things here from bottom to top:

Nogrod

Detail: Valier's and Naria's votes came in after Roa had apologized, that she had been wrong, and that double lynchings were indeed the rule!!!

I for one knew that double-lynching was a rule before Roa has said anything. I did read the rules.

So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far Am I just seeing something where there is nothing, but this could be read as a clear threat!!! Read it in that light, and you will see it...

What threat? It wasn't meant to be a threat at all. It's the truth. And yes I would definitely say that you are seeing something that isn't there.

Wow, looks like the time is drawing near so I shall vote now. And this remark is done only some ½ hours later from the earlier one!!! Wow - indeed! What a surprise to her it must have been?

I didn't look at the time after I had done my longer post and thought I had more time. I came back to see what was going on and saw the time was getting on and voted. And yes it did surprise me, hey I'm a fun loving kind of gal!

So she's ignoring the reply, and repeating the accusation that was shown ill informed or misunderstood

My bad, sorry! I just looked now and you had backed off a bit.

having someone like him around would not help at all... So it's not helpful to have someone around, who really tries to make the difference

Again, I'm sorry. You have clearly misunderstood me here. Of course it is good to have someone around that is helpful in their thinking, sure. However, the making a difference part I guess would be how each of us looks at ones posts and making our own minds up if that person has made a difference or not.


Another thing that I find weird is, in his analysis post of me, he spells the word 'Wolf' correctly five times but then at the end he spells wolf with a 'u' instead of an 'o'. Maybe nothing, might just be a typo....hm mm.

And yes, Nogrod I am aware that you are sleeping right now. I can't help that our timezones are different, business as usual.

I would like to catch us another wolf, instead of bickering back and forth. I will address concerns, but do not wish to bicker hence forth.

Gahh, looks like I went and did another long post.

[Naria]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I really was suspecting Naria before that, but now I have to admit, that her scorn over me could be from outside this game (or partly from within this one), and probably be purely personal, well, who knows? Something like that would explain her harshness etc. ("my presence being not helpful at all")

Maybe....point taken though! I will leave outside hindrances at the door when I come into this game from now on. Still, if I have a hunch or my gut is telling me something is fishy about you(or anyone else) I will take a look.