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Elu Ancalime · 03-02-2006, 08:48 PM

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How many Dwarven Fathers were there?

Durin for Longbeards
Firebeard Father
Broadbeam Father
Stiffbeard Father
Blacklock Father
Stonefoot Father(?)
Hagrid? I cant tremember the last two clearly. Anyway, the last four apart from Longbeard, Broadbeam, and Firebeard wernt entirly cannocal i think...
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Findegil · 03-03-2006, 07:58 PM

There were 6 members of the Haus of Dúrin and it is recorded that they were named thus because they were the father of that hous reborn. Thus the dwarven rebirth was not really digging your self out of the grave, but rebirth into your childrens children.
We do not know much abut the Durin's:
Dúrin I first Dwarf of all and founded Moria
Dúrin III aided The Elves in the war ofSauron against Eregion
Dúrin VI was killed by the Balrog of Moria in 1980 DZ
Dúrn VII & Last reestablished Moria as Dwarven Kingdom in the early fourth age

Respectfully
Findegil

Glaurung · 03-08-2006, 12:55 AM

If this isn't completely off-topic, I wonder what the Arkenstone really was? Was it just a beautiful jewel? And if it was "just a jewel", how come all the dwarves were so fond of it?

Raynor · 03-08-2006, 10:09 AM

I would say that the Arkenstone is the equivalent of the Silmarils for the dwarves; they call it the Heart of the Mountain. Furthermore, in HoME IV, The earliest Annal of Valinor, it is stated that the Gothic root arkns (in Old English Eorclan) means holy; and the same root Eorclan is used in the translation of the Silmarils in Old English: Eorclanstanas (even physically they are alike: crystals of diamonds - globe with a thousand faces). It could have even more importance to Thorin since he calls it the treasure of his house.

Elu Ancalime · 03-08-2006, 03:09 PM

Even though it has the prefix 'Holy', they never mentioned it being associated with Aule, but perhaps since the dwarves are secret with language and the origins of awakening and such, they held some beleif that the Arkenstone was a sign meant for Thror to govern Erebor, like the Mirromere, but tangible and less 'holy.'
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Glaurung · 03-12-2006, 10:14 AM

Thanks! That cleared my thoughts, at least a little...

03-08-2006, 03:09 PM	#5
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Even though it has the prefix 'Holy', they never mentioned it being associated with Aule, but perhaps since the dwarves are secret with language and the origins of awakening and such, they held some beleif that the Arkenstone was a sign meant for Thror to govern Erebor, like the Mirromere, but tangible and less 'holy.' ________ Volcano Vaporizer Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:24 PM.

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03-03-2006, 07:58 PM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	There were 6 members of the Haus of Dúrin and it is recorded that they were named thus because they were the father of that hous reborn. Thus the dwarven rebirth was not really digging your self out of the grave, but rebirth into your childrens children. We do not know much abut the Durin's: Dúrin I first Dwarf of all and founded Moria Dúrin III aided The Elves in the war ofSauron against Eregion Dúrin VI was killed by the Balrog of Moria in 1980 DZ Dúrn VII & Last reestablished Moria as Dwarven Kingdom in the early fourth age Respectfully Findegil

03-08-2006, 12:55 AM	#3
Glaurung Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dancing in rain Posts: 16	If this isn't completely off-topic, I wonder what the Arkenstone really was? Was it just a beautiful jewel? And if it was "just a jewel", how come all the dwarves were so fond of it?

03-08-2006, 10:09 AM	#4
Raynor Eagle of the Star Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sarmisegethuza Posts: 1,058	I would say that the Arkenstone is the equivalent of the Silmarils for the dwarves; they call it the Heart of the Mountain. Furthermore, in HoME IV, The earliest Annal of Valinor, it is stated that the Gothic root arkns (in Old English Eorclan) means holy; and the same root Eorclan is used in the translation of the Silmarils in Old English: Eorclanstanas (even physically they are alike: crystals of diamonds - globe with a thousand faces). It could have even more importance to Thorin since he calls it the treasure of his house.

03-12-2006, 10:14 AM	#6
Glaurung Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dancing in rain Posts: 16	Thanks! That cleared my thoughts, at least a little...